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GillsBluenose

Vital Squad Member
As for Raab and Patel, then I'd suggest 15 minutes' research and you'll find out everything you need. Anyone who's still happy with them and calls themself a socialist is beyond helping - they're simply an enabler.
Don't need to be happy with them. Gisela Stuart, for instance, is a Labour MP born in Germany but has been a leading light in the Leave campaign.

Cue another operation discredit.
 

Therealwaldo

Vital Reserves Team
Gillsbluenose, for the last few years about 50% of net migration has been from non EU countries. Brexiteers could never explain why, if total numbers, overcrowding etc are such a problem, we hadn't reduced non EU net migration to virtually zero, given that that was totally under our control. The answer is of course that net migration goes up and down in line with the needs of the economy.
 
Still waiting for an actual positive benefit, by the way.

You're throwing your lot in with Johnson and Rees-Mogg. That's a hard choice for anyone to take. Surely there must be something really positive to make that kind of thing worthwhile.

And Gisela Stuart, like many Labour MPs, and many Germans for that matter, is a fucking idiot.

Come on. How is Brexit going to make your life and my life, rather than Jacob Rees-Mogg's life, better?

One example. That's all I'm asking for.
 

valenciagill

Vital Squad Member
Still waiting for an actual positive benefit, by the way.

You're throwing your lot in with Johnson and Rees-Mogg. That's a hard choice for anyone to take. Surely there must be something really positive to make that kind of thing worthwhile.

And Gisela Stuart, like many Labour MPs, and many Germans for that matter, is a fucking idiot.

Come on. How is Brexit going to make your life and my life, rather than Jacob Rees-Mogg's life, better?

One example. That's all I'm asking for.
Positive benefit no.2
It's a step in the direction , of a populist revolution that is unfolding before our very eyes.
 

Wayne.Kerr

Vital 1st Team Regular
Unlike Wayne who chooses to cover his eyes and ears when I have told him time and time again. Let's try it again slowly. No........control.......over....... excessive........EU.....immigration...........in........an........already......overcrowded........ island.
Nothing except bullshit of a Little Englander
 
Unlike Wayne who chooses to cover his eyes and ears when I have told him time and time again. Let's try it again slowly. No........control.......over....... excessive........EU.....immigration...........in........an........already......overcrowded........ island.
Overcrowding? Why not just stop non-eu migration? Why not enforce a minimum wage on ALL workers to make it less financially rewarding to employ non-uk citizens? Your problems with immigration where/are down to government policy more than the EU's philosophy
 

Arthurly

Vital Reserves Team
Gillsbluenose, for the last few years about 50% of net migration has been from non EU countries. Brexiteers could never explain why, if total numbers, overcrowding etc are such a problem, we hadn't reduced non EU net migration to virtually zero, given that that was totally under our control. The answer is of course that net migration goes up and down in line with the needs of the economy.
waldo - the proportion of net incoming migration has changed a lot recently. From memory I think the latest from the EU is around 72K but from the rest of the world around 240k.
 

Wayne.Kerr

Vital 1st Team Regular
1. It appeals to me to not have to send a net £250 million every week in to an organisation from which we import far more than we export resulting in a huge trade deficit.
The cost of administering customs declarations, employing loads for customs officers, the financial cost of shelling out on tariffs up front, probable further devaluation of sterling, marginal loss of EU business due to imposition of tariffs etc etc will make the £250,000 look like small change
. It appeals to me not to have our overcrowded roads, overstretched public services and overcrowded hospitals made far worse by a policy that the government has absolutely no control over.
Only sheep on the roads in Yorkshire; I got my knee replacement op done in under 3 months at Kendall from date first x-ray and what are these policies we have no control over that relate to roads, public services and hospitals? Actually be specific for a change rather than quote the Little Englander book of glib and unfounded remarks.
Unskilled Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians, etc, probably still can not believe their luck.
May be not but, with virtually full employment in the UK, they can't be accused of taking our jobs.
 

Therealwaldo

Vital Reserves Team
EU net migration has indeed been falling hence the loss of much needed doctors and nurses. That doesn’t alter the fact that a government who claimed that they had a target of reducing net migration to ‘tens of thousands’ did nothing to cut net migration from non EU countries when they had complete power to do so. At the same time they sympathised with people that claimed migration was putting excessive pressure on services. There’s a word for that. It’s called hypocracy.
 

Jerryattrick

Vital Reserves Team
EU net migration has indeed been falling hence the loss of much needed doctors and nurses. That doesn’t alter the fact that a government who claimed that they had a target of reducing net migration to ‘tens of thousands’ did nothing to cut net migration from non EU countries when they had complete power to do so. At the same time they sympathised with people that claimed migration was putting excessive pressure on services. There’s a word for that. It’s called hypocracy.
Maybe the problem is more down to successive government not training enough people. Why are we not already training people in large numbers to cover the numbers required, its a self fulfilling event.
 

Wayne.Kerr

Vital 1st Team Regular
Maybe the problem is more down to successive government not training enough people. Why are we not already training people in large numbers to cover the numbers required, its a self fulfilling event.
You'll have to ask the Govt to answer that problem but one aspect of our workforce that Brexiteers and especially Little Englanders seem to forget is that we have an ageing population and, as a consequence, fewer going into higher education. Would it were not so, the influx of those from the EU would have meant high UK unemployment, which is not the case; it's the opposite in fact. Based on this, GBN's view of a UK utopia without unskilled Poles and Bulgarians etc is but a pipe dream but now, much to VG's delight, the unskilled may have to come from further afield as all immigrants are put on equal footing. That said, the Govt is going to have to relax rules as regards the NHS; it has more or less said so and the same will apply to farming and the hospitality industries. GBN's dislike of the EU, as we've now found out, has nothing to do with economics etc but is a typical Little Englander view of the world often found in older working class folk.
 

Vambogills

Vital Squad Member
Unlike Wayne who chooses to cover his eyes and ears when I have told him time and time again. Let's try it again slowly. No........control.......over....... excessive........EU.....immigration...........in........an........already......overcrowded........ island.
This is over a year old but it explains (yet again) why we already have control of our borders within the EU. We just choose not to enforce some of it.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit
 

GillsBluenose

Vital Squad Member
May be not but, with virtually full employment in the UK, they can't be accused of taking our jobs.
But I thought that there was a big hooha the other day about Honda possibly moving out of Britain, Why exactly would that be a bad thing? All profits go to Japan, don't they?

So, Einstein, why were Project Fear worried about that? I can only think it was about jobs but, as you say, we have full employment which makes us desperate for EU workers.

Another scare story debunked.
 

GillsBluenose

Vital Squad Member
And Gisela Stuart, like many Labour MPs, and many Germans for that matter, is a fucking idiot.
Well done AB. Took seven minutes from my post to post your response in exactly the form I predicted.

And WK says that I have no respect for people that have a different view to me.:rofl:

Not even mentioning us being accused of racism when you have just made the above generalisation and other remainers respond in horror to the suggestion that their kids may end up having to do debatably menial jobs that they are quite happy for EU immigrants to do.
 
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Wayne.Kerr

Vital 1st Team Regular
But I thought that there was a big hooha the other day about Honda possibly moving out of Britain, Why exactly would that be a bad thing? All profits go to Japan, don't they?
Net profits may go to Japan but taxable earnings of employees are subject to PAYE and NI; Honda sales in the UK are subject to UK VAT and Honda profits are subject to UK corporation tax; plus, there are many suppliers and service providers who get income/wages from business from Honda, which would be subject also to tax, VAT and NI. So, yes it would be a very bad thing and, if you can't understand that, then you should not have voted in the referendum. It's not about protecting your Little Englander ideas but ensuring the country has a livelihood.
 

Arthurly

Vital Reserves Team
But I thought that there was a big hooha the other day about Honda possibly moving out of Britain, Why exactly would that be a bad thing? All profits go to Japan, don't they?

So, Einstein, why were Project Fear worried about that? I can only think it was about jobs but, as you say, we have full employment which makes us desperate for EU workers.

Another scare story debunked.

Profit is quite usually a smaller figure than wages and salaries. The loss to the exchequer of 100's of 1000's of jobs would be very great indeed .
 

GillsBluenose

Vital Squad Member