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Perhaps you are getting the issues mixed up. Corbyn blaming the West/NATO for being the cause of Putin's aggression ahead of the invasion did nothing to help and smacks of political grandstanding, at a time when a non partisan approach may have been more tasteful and useful.

That is a separate issue to Corbyn being against the war (who wouldn't be!). If Corbyn is so anti Putin why was he acting as his apologist in the run up to it - apportioning blame elsewhere. In order to push some cheap political sound bytes for his own warped ideology I daresay.

It served no useful purpose and was basically all about Corbyn's personal hatred for the West. Some things should be above ideological political profiteering by individuals and this most certainly falls in that bracket.

Fact - It wasn't NATO that invaded the Ukraine, whose legitimate choice it is to look towards the West and reject Russian authoritarianism for their democratic future if they choose to do so. There is only one problem here and that is Putin's refusal to respect that Ukraine democracy in practice. Corbyn should have called it as it is, if he is such a fierce critic of the man he claims to be. Corbyn can't have it both ways without being criticised for the hypocrite he is.

As previously discussed on this thread, Corbyn et al are strange bed fellows with Farage on this score. It does not reflect well on any of them.
Unlike you I do not take a myopic black and white knee jerk view of life. Putin is a callous despot who has started and unjustified war in an independent country. However the unrelenting post cold war expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly has not helped matters The two things are not separate. You can oppose the war and blame Putin, but also recognise the role of the West.
 
Having a 'chat' with Putin does not work, as has been shown. Those countries chose to join NATO for protection from the bully that is Putin. They had 60 years under Soviet rule after WW 2 so know what it's like.
He can't even keep to a ceasefire!.
 
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The Russians will just use the tactics that they have used previously and just bomb the Ukrainian cities to the ground, as was proved yesterday they have no moral compass at all.

Putin is not interested in the Russian people so we can bring in as many sanctions as we like and at present it will not stop him.

I think they will carry on for a couple more weeks then once Russia has control of the south of Ukraine and the Black Sea Ports they will announce a ceasefire.
 
Unlike you I do not take a myopic black and white knee jerk view of life. Putin is a callous despot who has started and unjustified war in an independent country. However the unrelenting post cold war expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders certainly has not helped matters The two things are not separate. You can oppose the war and blame Putin, but also recognise the role of the West.


NATO expansion = where countries have freely and democratically joined.

Russian Federation = Expansion is by invasion.
 
Corbyn was calling for a freeze on Putins assets as far back as 2011. Probably about the same time Johnson started attending the lavish sex parties hosted and paid for by ex-KGB agent Lord Lebvedev. Funny old world.

Corbyn is talking bollocks about NATO mind.
 
Seen footage of Russian Police (looking more like Robocop) stopping people and forcing them to hand over their phones for checking messages and content. You wonder at what point they refuse to do such things.
Also footage of anti-war demonstrations in Russia
 
Seen footage of Russian Police (looking more like Robocop) stopping people and forcing them to hand over their phones for checking messages and content. You wonder at what point they refuse to do such things.
Also footage of anti-war demonstrations in Russia


No wonder why the Ukraine authorities are giving advice to the population of Ukraine in case they are captured.
 
Suppose Corbyn is now on the blower to Putin saying he is very angry with him and why not have a cup of tea, slice of cake and a chat about him being naughty!
 
Amazing how the former Leader of the Opposition (and an apparently useless one at that) still exercises the minds* of so many. Almost like he’s being used as a distraction.

* I’m using that term in its loosest possible sense.
 
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Perhaps we should forget about our political leanings. Stop worrying about Corbyns politics and how much dirty Russian money as gone to support the Tory party.
We should actually be ashamed to be British. Instead of opening our doors to these desperate and suffering Ukranians we still are
buried under red tape preventing these people coming here.
Patel keeps spouting her usual bullshit whilst nothing seems to be happening.
We are an effing disgrace.
 
Perhaps we should forget about our political leanings. Stop worrying about Corbyns politics and how much dirty Russian money as gone to support the Tory party.
We should actually be ashamed to be British. Instead of opening our doors to these desperate and suffering Ukranians we still are
buried under red tape preventing these people coming here.
Patel keeps spouting her usual bullshit whilst nothing seems to be happening.
We are an effing disgrace.

It may well be an effin disgrace but bigotry, isolationism and throwing up borders is exactly what people voted for. 80 seat majority.

Here’s what some grown-ups are doing nearby;

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0308/1285069-ukrainian-refugees/
 
They should let alot more in then current but if there is a credible security risk of a free for all we should process them properly. There are a lot of naughty people out there who will pose as refugees just to get in and cause damage.

the aid we give should really be 3 fold, weapons for those fighting the invaders, support for those fleeing and reconstruction when they go back (once someone has deposed of Putin!).
 
Let them who wanna come in, come! Those with family here, the sick and disabled, kids, the lot. I would think most would want to return after Putin has had his arse kicked about.
Farage and the like can swivel.

Murderers, peados and rapists included?

We should be doing more than we are, but security checks still needed.. but absolutely agree with any genuine none security risk / kids should be fast tracked and welcomed here.
 
Murderers, peados and rapists included?

We should be doing more than we are, but security checks still needed.. but absolutely agree with any genuine none security risk / kids should be fast tracked and welcomed here.

Just out of interest, and leaving aside the fact adult men have been told to stay in the Ukraine, how does that work? If they are proven murderers, peados and rapists wouldn’t they be in prison? And if not, how would any security check find out if they are?
 
Murderers, peados and rapists included?

We should be doing more than we are, but security checks still needed.. but absolutely agree with any genuine none security risk / kids should be fast tracked and welcomed here.

i think the security concerns are more around agents of hostile nations and terrorists.