You don’t half jump to some I’ll informed conclusions.
I only watched the first bit Andy but reached exactly the same conclusion..
O/T Corbyn...time to go?
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You don’t half jump to some I’ll informed conclusions.
I only watched the first bit Andy but reached exactly the same conclusion..
Excuse me big shot. You're not the mod here so don't be lecturing me.
Do you know how to read?
Maybe you've been talking. too much with your sick child and now has become him.
Can't understand but jumps in and answers.
Having an Asian PM would be the best jolt for those in the BNP and extreme right. They call them '*****', the best riposte is to give them 1.
Now where the hell is the insult I'm supposed to have used?
Maybe you're one of them and consider it an insult that an Asian can be PM.
That's it.
Well too bad. You're not the mod here. 2 fingers for your extreme right views.
RedBasie
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Really- I thought Andy was very confusing. He went on about who he'd want to run the country, then omitted to tell us who & how.
RedBasie
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Perhaps it would help their cause if like the Murdoch/Tory media you didn't say they've gone as far as they can. These council elections happened at the same time as that other right wing party UKIP's vote collapsed and went to the Tories. Despite that the Labour vote did go up as did that other left leaning party The Greens. Give Corbyn more time.
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Andy_faber
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Andy_faber
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If you genuinely didn't understand that I'll remember to be a bit clearer in future, I meant Martin Lewis (and a crew of equally apolitical, clear-thinking and straight talking people).
RedBasie
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I thought I was replying to what Roger said and not Andy. You ought to go to Specsavers.
Andy_faber
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If you thought you were replying to Roger you need more than specs
RedBasie
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Martin Lewis is only a so-called expert on money. Money by itself is useless & only gives purchasing power to those that need it least. You can't eat it, it doesn't put a roof over your head, it does not get you from A to B and certainly doesn't stop climate change and plastic getting into our oceans.
RedBasie
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Indirectly I was via RamAnag.
Andy_faber
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Thats the beauty of a free society, I can respect your opinion without remotely agreeing with it
To be clear...first sentence was about you jumping to conclusions...second sentence was agreeing with Andy’s comments about Martin Lewis.
Just out of interest and I know I’m going to regret this...what would you use instead of money to buy food, a roof over your head and the ablilty to get from a to b?
Climate change and plastic in the ocean are two entirely different debates imo.
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RedBasie
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John Stuart Mill the economist tells us how. Economics is the science of the distribution of resources yet we perpetuate a system which destroys them at an ever increasing rate just to create money which itself is of not any use. We need to change from an economy of flow to maintaining our stock of goods in sound working order. Also we need to redefine GDP and replace it with Gross Domestic Welfare. For example Police overtime at the moment is treated as a plus in GDP whereas it would be a minus in GDW. The same goes for traffic congestion which would disappear if we manufactured locally for local needs. No need to transport similar items in different directions on motor, sea or airways.
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Andy_faber
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With that you have a point. Likewise me travelling 50 miles to Brum every workday when there is a me equivalent travelling in the opposite direction. Not sure how that avoids the need for cash but it is a waste of resources
RedBasie
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Devolve Economics as far as possible to the community, share the task of what has to be done within that community, getting rid of both unsocial hours & unemployment. Goods made would not be sold only rented or leased this giving an income to their makers who would not have to keeping making short lived shoddy goods to keep in business. Money would be replaced by a system of employment credits issued by the local community with the most unpopular jobs carrying an higher value yet giving more leisure time to spend in a more cleaner & civilised community. You & me would choose what we want to do & wouldn't have to do anything forced upon us. Any job that was not taken would just have it's value increased until there were takers.
MadAmster
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Basiecally, me and the red man agree on politics/economics (read power and influence). All this chasing of the almighty dollar is ruining the planet, causing wars and enslaving us into the need for 40 hours a week of well paid work so that someone who does next to nothing can sit at home in his 8 bedroom mansion on his tax haven island enjoying the view view of his multi million pound yacht bobbing up and down in the harbour. Way too many people still fail to understand the influence a handful of people have over how they live their lives. As a kid I bought into it and chased promotion after promotion and it damned near killed me. Around 20 years of 80 hour weeks brought stress and that helped create a build up of crap in my left coronary artery. At age 48, out on a training run I felt a very sharp pain in my chest whilst out on a run (after 11Km of a 114Km training run). It felt like stitch but not in a place where you would expect stitch. I started walking and in no time the pain was gone. It had also acted like stitch. If it waddles like a duck...... was my line of thought. 2 days later, same thing after 5Km. next day 2Km and 3 days later 2 minutes...... this was no duck.
I went to my doctor, told him I thought it was my heart. He suspected acid coming up from my stomach..... 3 different medicaton later and I was still unable to run for more than 2 minutes without a cisit from my duck friend. At that point he said he would refer me to a cardiologist..... just to put my mind at ease. he was convinced it wasn't the heart.
At this time, although I couldn't run more than 2 minutes at a time, I was able to play football. You never run more than a few seconds and then it's back to a walk or even standing still. On the Sunday I played 90 minutes. Tuesday I went to the Cardio for an intended ECG on a home trainer. I told him the history and he said, no home trainer for you laddie. I lay down, had a "normal" ECG and was immediately taken to ICU. 3 days later a dotter and stent op to clear the left coronary artery which wasn't narrowed, it was absolutely, 100%, blocked. Later I asked the cardio how close I had been to "catastrophe" in his view. He said 3 months, if I was lucky, 3 weeks was closer to the truth and, if I was unlucky, maybe 3 days. That was in 2002 and was when I quit IT management and started teaching.
Economies of scale have gone way too far and it is time to scale back down. Not all the way to bringing back all those quaint cottage industries of yesteryear but to a level where people are at the top of the list of priorities not profit. Shareholders will still get their dividend. It will just be a little lower.
Rant over.
I went to my doctor, told him I thought it was my heart. He suspected acid coming up from my stomach..... 3 different medicaton later and I was still unable to run for more than 2 minutes without a cisit from my duck friend. At that point he said he would refer me to a cardiologist..... just to put my mind at ease. he was convinced it wasn't the heart.
At this time, although I couldn't run more than 2 minutes at a time, I was able to play football. You never run more than a few seconds and then it's back to a walk or even standing still. On the Sunday I played 90 minutes. Tuesday I went to the Cardio for an intended ECG on a home trainer. I told him the history and he said, no home trainer for you laddie. I lay down, had a "normal" ECG and was immediately taken to ICU. 3 days later a dotter and stent op to clear the left coronary artery which wasn't narrowed, it was absolutely, 100%, blocked. Later I asked the cardio how close I had been to "catastrophe" in his view. He said 3 months, if I was lucky, 3 weeks was closer to the truth and, if I was unlucky, maybe 3 days. That was in 2002 and was when I quit IT management and started teaching.
Economies of scale have gone way too far and it is time to scale back down. Not all the way to bringing back all those quaint cottage industries of yesteryear but to a level where people are at the top of the list of priorities not profit. Shareholders will still get their dividend. It will just be a little lower.
Rant over.
Agree with much of that MA and who’d have thought a simple question about Corbyn would generate such an outpouring?
As ever I’m sympathetic to much of Basie’s politics but equally, as ever, it seems confused...still hasn’t addressed how money is replaced and John Stuart Mill was hardly a radical socialist, much more of a utilitarian capitalist...might I suggest you read, if you haven’t, Dickens’ ‘Hard Times’.
Anyway, back on topic, is Corbyn the man to lead us to this ’socially responsible utopia’ or is he - and those he is undeniably loyal to - a well intentioned electoral liability?
As ever I’m sympathetic to much of Basie’s politics but equally, as ever, it seems confused...still hasn’t addressed how money is replaced and John Stuart Mill was hardly a radical socialist, much more of a utilitarian capitalist...might I suggest you read, if you haven’t, Dickens’ ‘Hard Times’.
Anyway, back on topic, is Corbyn the man to lead us to this ’socially responsible utopia’ or is he - and those he is undeniably loyal to - a well intentioned electoral liability?
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Hey ho, what do you know?Mr Big Shot now claims innocence..
Go read what you wrote.
What kind of question is that?
Typical of your I'm very superior. Don't be insulting blah blah.
Anyone with a brain will know I'm not insulting Asians. Just matter of fact the kind of terms the far right would use.
Apparently you find it insulting so the obvious conclusion is that you must be 1 of them. Since the jibe was at the far right and only you find it insulting, one surmises you must have a hard on for them. It's the second time because it's the second time you've chosen to act as if you own the place. Who asked for your opinion anyway? If you feel hate that's your problem. Makes the far right case even stronger as these people always feel hate and are rude. If you were polite and said something like maybe I get your point but perhaps better not use the term anyway as it may give a wrong impression.
That would be polite. Not some lecture on insult ex cetera.
PS I don't give a toss who you think I am or should be. As always you're very flexible with your facts and assumptions. But if you want to respond politely you'll get a polite response. Act as a mod here, too bad. You'll get it in return and unlike your forum, you can't lock threads whenever you're losing an argument.
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