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Tree and Crown said:
Bollocks to that, first come first served, everyone has had plenty of time, nearly 9 months ffs!
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I know...it seems like every time we are about to get over the finishing line another potential buyer pops out of the woodwork.....cynic in me thinks it's the Admins spinning this out with a sting in the tail 🤔
 
moonay said:
GG, just read the crowdfunder statement. It's very clear.

I'm sure that as time has passed, and further investment has been sought, they will have tried to give themselves additional options, but the initial aim was clear.


If no other bidders are successful, it's critical that we are READY TO ACT in order to secure the future of Wigan Athletic. Not just a football club, but an integral part of our community that helps to improve thousands of lives across Wigan.

• Having reached our initial target of £500,000 we are now aiming to push our campaign as far as it can go - with our next target being £750,000. Each pledge will make our voice stronger, and for every pledge of £250 or more YOU will be rewarded with a place in our future.

• We are working with key partners including Wigan Council, Wigan Athletic Community Trust, Jonathan Jackson and other backers to be ready to act to save our club.

• This funding will be used to support the future of the football club with community-ownership and supporter representation and influence at the highest level.
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Watch the interview with jj, Carolyn and Jay whittle that was done just as the fundraiser started. It is not even up for debate it is explained on their what it is for.
 
Griggs goals said:
Watch the interview with jj, Carolyn and Jay whittle that was done just as the fundraiser started. It is not even up for debate it is explained on their what it is for.
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Why do I need to watch something, when I can read?

I agree that the SC aren't looking to buy the club outright as it is now ......... because as you rightly say, they don't (yet) have the money for it. That's why the crowdfunder statement says "if no other bidders are successful" .......... and there's an implicit acceptance that our future would be very different.

The option of securing board representation even if a new buyer were to be successful is also covered when they say "supporter representation and influence at the highest level ".
 
Nixon saying he knows this other group mainly british and says it could make a good story
But odd where funds are coming from
Could it be royle ?
 
moonay said:
Why do I need to watch something, when I can read?

I agree that the SC aren't looking to buy the club outright as it is now ......... because as you rightly say, they don't (yet) have the money for it. That's why the crowdfunder statement says "if no other bidders are successful" .......... and there's an implicit acceptance that our future would be very different.

The option of securing board representation even if a new buyer were to be successful is also covered when they say "supporter representation and influence at the highest level ".
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Because both jj and Carolyn state on that it is not to buy the club. I don't know how much clearer it can be than the people responsible for the fund raiser both stating it is not to buy the club. Now that might of changed now but originally it was not to buy the club hence why they both said it. But if you refuse to watch it then the is not really much point debating about it and we might as well just agree to disagree and see what unfolds in the coming weeks/months
 
Griggs goals said:
Because both jj and Carolyn state on that it is not to buy the club. I don't know how much clearer it can be than the people responsible for the fund raiser both stating it is not to buy the club. Now that might of changed now but originally it was not to buy the club hence why they both said it. But if you refuse to watch it then the is not really much point debating about it and we might as well just agree to disagree and see what unfolds in the coming weeks/months
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GG ....... they don't want to buy the club NOW !!!

If you want me to watch it, put up a link. I've no doubt they said the same as they have all along. ........................... it's only for buying the club if push comes to shove.
 
Hampton said:
The line about slot going on but we can't tell you has a real "us and them ring to it"
Here's an idea - amend the SC articles of association to include all SC members as NDA compliant and individually responsible for confidentiality by means of their membership - then email each member with a comprehensive and transparent account of activities.
It's more won't than can't IMO
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Why would anyone amend the articles of association for a company that is not yet trading.
If and when it does start trading or at some time before, the members of the supporters club can call a meeting to discuss.

If you are a member of the supporters club you can propose that an emergency General meeting is called you need about 7 people who will second your proposal (the SC may be more or less that number, look at the rules) if you get that support, which should be easy looking at those dissatisfied with the SC on here, the committee would be bound to call a meeting, then you can call for elections and take over the club, this will enable you to run it as you want to.
 
moonay said:
GG ....... they don't want to buy the club NOW !!!

If you want me to watch it, put up a link. I've no doubt they said the same as they have all along. ........................... it's only for buying the club if push comes to shove.
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I have done and they say nothing of the sort, they decided to try to raise funds as krasner suggested to them, after they raised the 150k to help finish last season, that if they raised half a million quid it would give them a greater say and influence with potential buyers and even a stake in the club.
 
loudmouthblue said:
Why would anyone amend the articles of association for a company that is not yet trading.
If and when it does start trading or at some time before, the members of the supporters club can call a meeting to discuss.

If you are a member of the supporters club you can propose that an emergency General meeting is called you need about 7 people who will second your proposal (the SC may be more or less that number, look at the rules) if you get that support, which should be easy looking at those dissatisfied with the SC on here, the committee would be bound to call a meeting, then you can call for elections and take over the club, this will enable you to run it as you want to.
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Any company registered at co house can change it's arts - trading or not - though as the SC is selling membership is that not trading ?
 
loudmouthblue said:
I have done and they say nothing of the sort, they decided to try to raise funds as krasner suggested to them, after they raised the 150k to help finish last season, that if they raised half a million quid it would give them a greater say and influence with potential buyers and even a stake in the club.
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This is correct, its to try and ensure the supporters have a voice and some ownership of the club no matter what.

I believe the SC also have a "plan B" which is the doomsday of us not having a buyer and them trying to step in.
 
Hampton said:
Any company registered at co house can change it's arts - trading or not - though as the SC is selling membership is that not trading ?
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The supporters club is selling nothing, it asked fans to join the club to help make it stronger and raise funds to pay specialist legal and financial advisers, something touched on on the podcast last night. Perhaps you can show us all a date when this company started trading you are so insistent it is.

The limited company is a vehicle for the future if they become a partner in any new club, that way it limits the liability of the directors of that business should a claim be made against them by anyone in dispute with the new Wigan Athletic football club in the future.

As I said before if you don't like how things are being conducted propose an EGM then you and like-minded people can challenge how it is run now.
 
Hampton said:
Any company registered at co house can change it's arts - trading or not - though as the SC is selling membership is that not trading ?
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Think the Supporters club debate is a bit like the toxic Brexit debate we had way back when. On the one hand those championing the SC & the other hand those, yourself included, bemoaning, bitching & frustrated with the SC. Me I'm firmly planted atop of Moonay's fence panel but if pushed I'd up giving a politicians answer....' SC doing as best a job they can given the difficulties, restraints and position they are in trying to please ALL parties.....tin hat donned
 
loudmouthblue said:
I have done and they say nothing of the sort, they decided to try to raise funds as krasner suggested to them, after they raised the 150k to help finish last season, that if they raised half a million quid it would give them a greater say and influence with potential buyers and even a stake in the club.
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vyou obviously havent watched it because if you had you would of seen that both Carolyn and jj say roughly between the 16th min and 20th min of the vid that the money is not to buy the club. They don't say not to buy it now they say not to buy full stop so why the hell you are lieing is beyond me. But I suppose that can be expected from someone who claimed Frampton had, had a bid accepted when he had not. As for the second part of your post about greater influence no one is debating that. I even said myself that they wanted it to buy a stake in the club. But that is different than buying the club outright which is what is being debated.
 
jocklatic said:
Think the Supporters club debate is a bit like the toxic Brexit debate we had way back when. On the one hand those championing the SC & the other hand those, yourself included, bemoaning, bitching & frustrated with the SC. Me I'm firmly planted atop of Moonay's fence panel but if pushed I'd up giving a politicians answer....' SC doing as best a job they can given the difficulties, restraints and position they are in trying to please ALL parties.....tin hat donned
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I think with the Supporters Club debate many of us actually agree on 90% of the situation.

I imagine virtually everyone understood the Supporters Club were not at all set up or well qualified for the responsibilities that would come and would probably admit that themselves - hence why they leaned on Jackson. But they certainly could've communicated far better.

I also think most of us also feel they have the clubs best interest at heart and did a fantastic job raising the money in the first place.

I can't imagine many people would argue that and it's just frustration. But I think their poor communication has probably made them look far worse than they have done, I suspect if we all knew the details they are probably doing more than we realise. They've made a rod for their own back by being so secretive. As I said in another post they have gone for the extreme of saying virtually nothing and there is a happy medium between that and breaking an NDA.

If I was them I'd have done regular updates just stating what they have done. Something like 'this week we spoke to a new bidder, the conversation was constructive and they are open to us being on the board' or 'this week we have heard from the EFL that the checking process into a bidder is ongoing but they are hoping to give us more info in 2 weeks' - nothing incriminating, no names, no details just a general update so the fans have some insight. Just a little bit regularly probably could've kept fans getting fed up and assuming the worse.
 
Griggs goals said:
vyou obviously havent watched it because if you had you would of seen that both Carolyn and jj say roughly between the 16th min and 20th min of the vid that the money is not to buy the club. They don't say not to buy it now they say not to buy full stop so why the hell you are lieing is beyond me. But I suppose that can be expected from someone who claimed Frampton had, had a bid accepted when he had not. As for the second part of your post about greater influence no one is debating that. I even said myself that they wanted it to buy a stake in the club. But that is different than buying the club outright which is what is being debated.
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GG, mate, stop digging.

I've said it, LMB's said it, TB's said it and now Wlatic's said it.

The money was to take ownership of the club if all else had failed. You've not posted the link, so I won't try and counter what you say about JJ and Caroline, but I'm fairly sure that they context they're talking about is now, and not the doomsday scenario.

:shrug:
 
loudmouthblue said:
The supporters club is selling nothing, it asked fans to join the club to help make it stronger and raise funds to pay specialist legal and financial advisers, something touched on on the podcast last night. Perhaps you can show us all a date when this company started trading you are so insistent it is.

The limited company is a vehicle for the future if they become a partner in any new club, that way it limits the liability of the directors of that business should a claim be made against them by anyone in dispute with the new Wigan Athletic football club in the future.

As I said before if you don't like how things are being conducted propose an EGM then you and like-minded people can challenge how it is run now.
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Perhaps you can stop making demands ?
I have my position what's your problem that someone dare to disagree or are you sticking up for folks you may think have influence though clearly don't and feed you scraps ?
Are the SC trading - well by offering memberships and making transactions yes
From previous experience neither of us are likely to agree so let's leave it. I will post any update I recieve from my comms to the SC in due course.
 
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