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Lockdown 4 - Potential effect on Latics

Hampton said:
There are also stories of fully vaccinated people dying in hospital who are vaccinated but to no benefit - go figure 🤔
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And those numbers are far less than the non vaccinated. You do realise the efficacy is not 100%? Perhaps not. As Jock referred to with his mate, there are daily stories of the unvaccinated dying, often accompanied by grieving relatives saying they were put off being vaccinated by crap on social media. You need to be considered in your postings given they could have unintended consequences.
 
hindleymonwafc said:
No , most are behind us with 3rd vax for the folk that want jabbing. I'm trying to take the hate out your heart but you are still resisting.
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We may be ahead of other countries with the 3rd dose, but some (10 of actually based on the data table on the previous page) are ahead of us with the 1st and 2nd.

It's not a hate thing Hindley (in this instance), it's a maths one.
 
TRUE BELIEVER said:
I understand the point you are making with the chart you are showing but once again it is skewed due to population density.

Portugal for instance has a population of around 10 million, 1 million of which have not been vaccinated. Far less people to get jabbed compared to the 65 million in the UK and NI. The population density of Portugal is only 110 people per sq. kilometre as opposed to the UK at 280. It would be fairer to compare Germany, who have a slightly less population density, but higher overall population to the UK at 240/sq.km. and show a similar percentage vaccinated.

In my opinion we are comparable to any country in the world with a similar sized population and population density and the comparisons being made are unfairly biased by not making direct comparisons to similar sized and populated countries.

I think by comparing a country with a population of 10 million to a country of 65 million the country with the smaller population will always have the edge.

I also think the figures you are using are incorrect as the official UK figures show that 89.6% have received their first dose, 81.9% have been double dosed and 52% have received their booster a total of 128.5 million doses administered.

Portugal by comparison have administered 18.8 million doses. ( COVID-19 Vaccination Tracker: Daily Rates, Statistics & Updates (pharmaceutical-technology.com)

If you use the official figures against the chart you have posted the UK is significantly higher.
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But you said we were a dense country, should be easy, every one living on the doorstep of the vaccination clinic

I think your argument about small populations is fallacious. Smaller populations, would logically have fewer people administering the vaccination

Just playing devil's advocate with your opinions
 
moonay said:
We may be ahead of other countries with the 3rd dose, but some (10 of actually based on the data table on the previous page) are ahead of us with the 1st and 2nd.

It's not a hate thing Hindley (in this instance), it's a maths one.
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That kind of proves my point. We set off like a house on fire with vaxing but then hit the buffers because we have millions of dickheads that refuse it. Other countries then overtake us eventually because they have less dickheads therefore a higher percentage vaxxed.

Onto 3rd vax we are off like a shot again , then we will hit the dickheads and other countries will overtake us.

We are doing it right imo just too many dickheads.
 
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Hampton said:
Hampton views it as freedom to choose and will stand by that principle.
sure you will applaud the set up of internment camps similar to Australia when they get round to it ?
Slippery slope and the I'm alright Jack it doesn't affect me approach is employed (until of course the time when you find yourself on the wrong side of the next imposition) that for me is the selfish position.
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To your first accusation, no not me.
To be honest I thought you would, given previous posts, I apologise.
 
jeffs right said:
That sounds really unfair. When we get a new shiny socialist government which is inevitable then these numbers will be equal. Maybe they will charge the better off for any future vaccine to lower the numbers of free loading better off folk receiving free vaccines down.
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A anything but Tory government would do me
 
hindleymonwafc said:
Report on Granada Reports regarding intensive care at I think Liverpool. All those in there were un-vaxxed. I mean ALL.

How much more proof does anybody need.

Not that I'm overly bothered if they live or die like. Their choice, who cares ?
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regarding intensive care at I think Liverpool. All those in there were un-vaxxed. I mean ALL.....most of these antivaxers / un-vaxxed will no doubt give us a plausible excuse as to why they're taking up all these beds. They'll def think there's nothing wrong in their outlook & attitude until someone close to them becomes the next death statistic.
 
hindleymonwafc said:
Report on Granada Reports regarding intensive care at I think Liverpool. All those in there were un-vaxxed. I mean ALL.

How much more proof does anybody need.

Not that I'm overly bothered if they live or die like. Their choice, who cares ?
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I agree with you on this John I'm not bothered about them either but there is a bigger picture to consider that their selfish actions cause, just think of the people treating them medically, the auxiliaries cleaning their shit up, changing their beds and cleaning close to them, the catering staff providing and serving their meals.
All these people are on the front line and putting their own health at risk despite all the procedures in place to keep them safe, if they catch covid it leaves less people to treat any hospital patient covid sufferers or not.
 
loudmouthblue said:
I agree with you on this John I'm not bothered about them either but there is a bigger picture to consider that their selfish actions cause, just think of the people treating them medically, the auxiliaries cleaning their shit up, changing their beds and cleaning close to them, the catering staff providing and serving their meals.
All these people are on the front line and putting their own health at risk despite all the procedures in place to keep them safe, if they catch covid it leaves less people to treat any hospital patient covid sufferers or not.
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Its a good point pal...I hadn't thought of the other side to this...and that obviously matters to us all.
 
loudmouthblue said:
I agree with you on this John I'm not bothered about them either but there is a bigger picture to consider that their selfish actions cause, just think of the people treating them medically, the auxiliaries cleaning their shit up, changing their beds and cleaning close to them, the catering staff providing and serving their meals.
All these people are on the front line and putting their own health at risk despite all the procedures in place to keep them safe, if they catch covid it leaves less people to treat any hospital patient covid sufferers or not.
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Exactly this.
 
jocklatic said:
Take this whatever way you like & I totally get it's freedom of choice for people to have vaccine, believe covid is a conspiracy or believe in the antivaxers theories & statements but this also has consequences...I'll give you a first hand account here - a person we know, early forties & unvaccinated as they said it was their right / choice was taken into hospital 3 weeks ago with covid (had NO underlying health issues) , sadly the other day they passed away leaving 3 children without a parent & 1 grandchild without a grandparent not to mention a grieving mum & dad....so so sad when it perhaps could have been avoided. 3 friends of this person have reconsidered not having a vaccination & now booked to get one. IMO the people refusing jabs etc are steadfast in their beliefs & rights to choice ultimately change their tune once someone close to them suffers / dies from covid, too little too late in some circumstances. But hey that's why we fought for democracy eh....
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Absolutely Jock - whilst the detail you shared is sad and shocking we must respect the right to individual choice rather than dictatorial decrcree
 
moonay said:
We may have, but it doesn't matter. Take em out and we're all left with folk who are vaxed!
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This. Eventually the antivaxers will get sick and die of some disease or other. Perhaps thats what the Govt secretly want - 3m less OAPs to fund in 40 years' time.
 
Made in Wigan said:
What you believe is unsubstantiated shit. Not sure how many times you need to be told this. You’ve been triggered and are agitated by some infection control measures. No idea why, you’ll have to figure that out for yourself.
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In your opinion - I will form my own opinion and not be dictated to thanks.
If hospitalisations massively increase and deaths also then I will reconsider - If they don't hopefully you will also - but seems you are blinded by the propoganda right now so won't hold my breath !
 
Sorry Hamps that’s rubbish. Ther comes a time when for theirs and our own good legislation becomes a must
 
Made in Wigan said:
And those numbers are far less than the non vaccinated. You do realise the efficacy is not 100%? Perhaps not. As Jock referred to with his mate, there are daily stories of the unvaccinated dying, often accompanied by grieving relatives saying they were put off being vaccinated by crap on social media. You need to be considered in your postings given they could have unintended consequences.
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So please post up your stats for deaths from covid rather than with covid to support your position
 
Taff57 said:
Sorry Hamps that’s rubbish. Ther comes a time when for theirs and our own good legislation becomes a must
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We will disagree on this taff - for me the minute personal choice is overidden is a fundamental and regressive step for our society
 
Made in Wigan said:
And those numbers are far less than the non vaccinated. You do realise the efficacy is not 100%? Perhaps not. As Jock referred to with his mate, there are daily stories of the unvaccinated dying, often accompanied by grieving relatives saying they were put off being vaccinated by crap on social media. You need to be considered in your postings given they could have unintended consequences.
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Again and again you are missing (conveniently) my point - not anti vax but respect the individual choice to decide.
If you deny that there lies tyranny
 
pie eater said:
This. Eventually the antivaxers will get sick and die of some disease or other. Perhaps thats what the Govt secretly want - 3m less OAPs to fund in 40 years' time.
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Except those dying having been vaccinated are inconveniently ruining this narrative !
 
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