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F@@@ The Disabled

The amount fiddled in benefits is small fry compared with that fiddled by politicians and bankers. Then take into account that owned in taxes by companies and celebrities etc
 
It's the old argument - my boss turns up when he likes, seemingly does bugger all, goes home early in his all expenses flashy company car, and then sticks in a whopping great expenses bill, and I dont get any of those privledges.

The answer - get yourself in his position and you can do the same.

Whilst 'fairer' systems are dreamed of and hoped for, and tried and failed over and over again, we revert back to the system that works everytime to get things back in order.

Some people sit at top table and eat caviar, some people eat potato peelings out the bin. But everyone gets fed, and everyone has the opportunity to move up to the next level.

Not everyone can sit at the same table - it just doesnt work.
 
Green Tea - 18/4/2013 22:32

Kefkat, It isnt alot of vouchers as it could be stored on a computer database and a swipe style card used by those on benefits. Like Debit card/loyalty card.

How many shoppers do you think have a Tesco clubcard all over the UK? All those customers are stored on a database and Tescos know exactly what each customer buys (big brother style)..

If supermarkets can monitor their customers, offer them points, coupons based on what they buy etc, im sure the government could use a similar system to monitor people on benefits. You also say 0.5% fiddle the system. In other words 99.5% of all benefits are genuine people not wasting state money on illegal drugs for instance? The system is so corrupt even those with stats dont know what they are monitoring. We have single mothers using money for their children on alcohol and drugs. = Is that right? Is that mother included in your 0.5%?
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The single Mother doesn't come into the equation of ESA and sick. A single Mom with a child under 5 is legally entitled to be on benefits, if that's what you mean. After 5 they have to start looking for work as they are placed on job seekers..

The thing is here you have to split off who is claiming illegally and legally into different sections as the 0.5% is about fiddling. Legally a Mother for example can be on income support and not have to look for work. That is not the same as someone cheating the system pretending to be ill when they aren't which is the 0.5% I talk about
 
SKEGGY - 19/4/2013 11:29

The amount fiddled in benefits is small fry compared with that fiddled by politicians and bankers. Then take into account that owned in taxes by companies and celebrities etc
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The welfare state is not small fry. And who and why is anybody mentioning fiddling benefits? A guy using benefits to buy dope every week is fiddling the system. A single mother using benefits to by fags is fiddling the system.

Companies and celebrities? You mean these guys that are paying £1000+ per month on council tax to have their one bin bag emptied every week? That live down a country lane with no street lighting? That cannot sell their house to get out of dodge because the housing market is stagnant? You mean those guys, that all this country has left pumping money into a defunct system?
 
The man filmed punching a police horse during a football riot claimed yesterday he was acting in self-defence.
Barry Rogerson, 45, who calls himself an animal lover, says he panicked as the horse ‘charged’ towards him.
He says the medication he takes and the fact he had been drinking heavily may have prompted his actions.
With a football scarf over his face, Rogerson was caught on camera throwing a punch at the horse, called Bud, before being tackled by officers and wrestled to the ground during violence after Newcastle United’s match against Sunderland on Sunday.
Despite claiming he is too sick to hold down a job, Rogerson, who is on disability benefits, went to the match – which his team Newcastle lost 3-0 – and drank five pints of beer before becoming involved in clashes with police.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310139/I-acting-self-defence-says-drunken-fan-disabled-benefits-threw-punch-police-horse.html#ixzz2QlJ6dqqt
 
Thousands of wealthy Britons expected to leave in next two years over fears about high crime and taxes

More than half a million wealthy Britons are expected to move abroad in the next two years amid concerns about crumbling road and rail networks, crime and high taxes, a survey reveals today.
Some 19 per cent of people with savings and investments worth more than £250,000 are considering a new life overseas, which is up from 17 per cent six months ago and 14 per cent a year ago.
The figures suggest that at least 500,000 people with that level of personal wealth may leave the UK in the next two years.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130306/Wealthy-Britons-expected-leave-years-fears-high-crime-taxes.html#ixzz2QuJZHcwQ


According to research into the rate at which the wealthy are leaving the UK undertaken by the Sunday Times, 10 are packing their cases and boarding their private planes every single week. You may feel a strong urge to shout “good riddance” whilst waving these individuals off the premises…however, stop for just a moment. Whilst we share your anger at the way certain sectors of wealthy society (certain bankers!) have behaved, we have to point out that the faster these people leave the UK, the faster businesses close their doors in Britain and set up elsewhere, the faster the level of public debt each British household has to shoulder will rise. The banking sector contributes significantly to Britain’s tax coffers – a fact we must not overlook. And as greater numbers of wealthy individuals leave Britain, so they take their taxable revenue with them.

The government is not fixing things with their ever-increasing taxes designed to strip more and more away from the average man – they are making it worse. The wealthiest who they hoped to be able to tax harder and generate more wealth from are just leaving. This leaves even greater responsibility for debt on the shoulders of those who can least afford to carry the burden. This nation will slowly but surely crumble under its debt as the wealthy leave at a rate of 10 a week and the financial institutions in the City realise there is nothing keeping them in Britain.
 
Looks a nice fella. The scarf covering his identity was purely coincidental as it was because it was cold guvnor.

 
Oh, I would point out disabled people are allowed to drink. Typical daily fail that bit.
 
Yes and go to football matches. They do disabled priced tickets and s.t.h too.

Sometimes the health problem can't be seen GT. Mental health for example. My 2nd lad has bi polar and he is entitled to high rate care because of it. Besides other conditions I have a stomach & bowel condition. You can't see my stomach and bowel condition nor all my pain.

Anyway DLA is not means tested, nor strictly speaking a welfare benefit like the others are. Anyone can claim DLA working or not as it is to help you have a life and has nothing to do with other benefits.

I don't know whether this guy is scamming or not but it is a bit too easy to judge. Just cos he is at a football match drinks beer doesn't mean he is fit to work
 
Kat,

Can you get the % of all disability claimants that claim for Back pain or mental health problems?
Can you also get the % of disability claimants comparing with other EU countries?

Also is it possible this Newcastle fan is fit to work but putting a lot of his problems on as to claim free money from Joe Public? Like, how stringent would the test(today) be for him to be allowed to claim and will PIP be more stringent?

Someone told me that we have over twice as many disabled and unfit to work in Britain than any other country in the Western world. And that over 50% of claims are done by just filling in a form, ie no test.
 
They would still need doctors notes Green. So as I've said in this or other threads, they really should and could sort that, the docs should have a secretary maybe, trained in benefit doo dahs,mto help the doctor understand what is being claimed for.

PIP appears more stringent, which SHOULD be a good thing, but the system seems flawed, they are using ATOS and paying them a bomb, some secret filming of ATOS staff shows them saying how toxic it all is and I believe (not 100% but said so on the programme I started fuck the disabled thread on) they are on commission or a bonus for getting people off benefits.

All good getting the professionally ill and form fillers off, but as it stands it appears a good few very ill people are being passed fit to work.

So although we need to slash the benefit culture and that includes disability (started by politicians wanting people off the 3m unemployment list) they need to be very careful to also be humane.

Typical politicians, right idea, totally shite execution.
 
Green Tea - 22/4/2013 23:34

Kat my message wasnt aimed at you. I was replying to Heathfield that the diagnosis can be difficult in a young age and that the childs mood swings will play a part on how it is diagnosed. Many doctors have said that it may be over diagnosed in children..

I am not for one minute saying your son is not Bipolar and I do feel for you.
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And I am saying that mood swings alone would not lead a Doctor to diagnose Bi Polar. Your own post lists a number of factors, and it takes a specialist to finally asses the patient, not a GP. By the time somebody is diagnosed they have usually been through many years of uncertainty and trauma.

Mental health ssues have to be taken more seriously. You can't just dismiss them.
 
to be fair, actually seeing a specialist in mental health now is almost mission impossible, the gps refer people on to centres, who then assess via social workers ....

only way people really get assessed properly now is after a suicide attempt.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 22/4/2013 16:52

Previous posts on here would indicate otherwise.

Why not be proud that we provide more for our less fortunate than most?
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I think every citizen should be proud of our welfare state, and I think most are. Unfortunately though such is life, people take the piss, and now the system is failing because of this.
 
They always say that, they seldom do. If I had loads of money, I would, just for better weather.

Love the Daily Fail though.

at least 500 000 'MAY' leave.

How the fuck do they know, have they asked them all?!

Did you see QT last night. The columist from the Mail said 'we only report the facts' and half the audience burst out laughing.
 
I was talking to a severely disabled man and woman on Sunday, they aren't a couple just live in the same bungalow complex. This complex was originally designed for elderly or the severely disabled. Now both these people have recently had partner that have passed away. They live in two bedroom bungalows and claim housin benefit. Which has subsequently been cut by 14% due to the so called bedroom tax, they both have spare rooms. Both have lived in their homes for many years. They have both tried to get a one bedroom flat in a warden controlled complex, nothing is currently available an there is a long waiting list.

The system of cuts is fair from fair.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 23/4/2013 10:34

Green Tea - 22/4/2013 23:34

Kat my message wasnt aimed at you. I was replying to Heathfield that the diagnosis can be difficult in a young age and that the childs mood swings will play a part on how it is diagnosed. Many doctors have said that it may be over diagnosed in children..

I am not for one minute saying your son is not Bipolar and I do feel for you.
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And I am saying that mood swings alone would not lead a Doctor to diagnose Bi Polar. Your own post lists a number of factors, and it takes a specialist to finally asses the patient, not a GP. By the time somebody is diagnosed they have usually been through many years of uncertainty and trauma.

Mental health ssues have to be taken more seriously. You can't just dismiss them.
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And I never said mood swings "alone". I also never said "dismiss" mental health.

My point is, that labelling a child with an "incorrect" diagnosis could in fact cause mental health. Its well known throughout the medical profession that Bipolar has been over diagnosed in children. In some cases like with Kat, they have been correctly diagnosed. However what about all those that were incorrect?

Ive seen many kids in schools that go into special needs classes(im NOT linking this with bipolar Heath ok?). Once this happens, the child has been labelled and pigeon holed. This could be causing more harm than good long term for that child.

And considering we have more 18 - 25 year old's that are claiming disability benefit under mental health reasons than any of the western world. I think there is case here to be investigated.
 
My doc (youngish gp, still 'keen and with it' so to speak) says loads of the 'kids' seem to want to be labelled. They'll go in and tell him they self harm etc and he just knows it isn't the case.

Strange world. People never had time to think up these things or think they 'wanted' such things in days gone by! Then again, treatment of mental health is days gone by wasn't exactly fantastic either from what I can see.

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