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F@@@ The Disabled

SKEGGY - 23/4/2013 11:28

I was talking to a severely disabled man and woman on Sunday, they aren't a couple just live in the same bungalow complex. This complex was originally designed for elderly or the severely disabled. Now both these people have recently had partner that have passed away. They live in two bedroom bungalows and claim housin benefit. Which has subsequently been cut by 14% due to the so called bedroom tax, they both have spare rooms. Both have lived in their homes for many years. They have both tried to get a one bedroom flat in a warden controlled complex, nothing is currently available an there is a long waiting list.

The system of cuts is fair from fair.
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This is a 14% cut and bereaved families will be given a year's exemption.

It is estimated that the cut in housing benefit for those with spare rooms will on average be around £14 - £16 per week.

These cuts however DO NOT effect pensioners.

Labour called it a bedroom tax. However it is just another cut in one of the benefits offered by our country. = We are all suffering to some extent and the disabled(unless elderly) are unfortunately as liable as the rest of us during these hard times.
 
I know about 5 families who have emigrated in the last year or so, one to canada, one to new Zealand, the rest to Australia.

Everyone of them was a home owner, tax payer, and in a well paid and/or highly skilled job in the UK. (Obviously, or their new country wouldnt have accepted them!)
 
I would also like to add that even with the housing benefit cuts, it is still means tested. So if these disabled you mention cannot afford to pay the rent, then the housing benefit they receive can pay up to 100% of it.
 
Green Tea - 21/4/2013 18:15

Kat,

Can you get the % of all disability claimants that claim for Back pain or mental health problems?
Can you also get the % of disability claimants comparing with other EU countries?

Also is it possible this Newcastle fan is fit to work but putting a lot of his problems on as to claim free money from Joe Public? Like, how stringent would the test(today) be for him to be allowed to claim and will PIP be more stringent?

Someone told me that we have over twice as many disabled and unfit to work in Britain than any other country in the Western world. And that over 50% of claims are done by just filling in a form, ie no test.
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Quite possible that it is 50% are done without a medical, which will and is the same on ESA and will be the same on PIPS. What people don't realize is that to NOT have a medical you HAVE to provide documented medical proof of your illnesses. You don't get to get these benefits without a medical unless you send in proof. That is the same for all the benefits and always has been contrary to what the media says.

Regarding mental health the majority who get transferred to ESA get put in the WRAG which is Working Related Action Group. Alot get told they are fit to work and appeal.

A Few with mental health like my 2nd son who has bi polar are put in the support group of ESA. He worked up to 2 years ago. In his last overdose he was put in support group and just has been again for 18 months as he has been really unwell. They have struggled to stabilize his meds with him being in intense group therapy 3 and a half days a week.

By next year hopefully he will go back into WRAG and get the support to go back to work which he wants to do.

PIPS is more stringent in some ways yet easier in others. I have access resources to the forms. The form will be easier in some ways as there is not so many questions. Contrary to what people think it isn't easy to get any of these benefits.

You only get to hear about the horror cases. As for do we have more on benefits for disability than other countries. Our figures would have to be balanced out to the size of other countries so I can't say if that is true or not. I doubt whomever you have heard that from as got access to that info either and has been fed a sweeping generalization
 
Don't people emigrate all the time? Surely that figure was probably the same ten years ago?

Who cares anyway, good luck to them.
 
Still can't understand why all benefits aren't means tested and they should be opt IN.

ie heating allowance. What a joke that millionaires get it along with those who are below the poverty line and most of the millionaires would agree! You can't even stop them if you wanted to.
 
Thing is, you lose a bloke who takes with him his qualifications, experience and skills as an engineer, and you replace him with an arab, who arrives with his 3 wives, 8 kids, a spear and skills as a goat herder.
 
Green Tea - 23/4/2013 12:51

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 23/4/2013 10:34

Green Tea - 22/4/2013 23:34

Kat my message wasnt aimed at you. I was replying to Heathfield that the diagnosis can be difficult in a young age and that the childs mood swings will play a part on how it is diagnosed. Many doctors have said that it may be over diagnosed in children..

I am not for one minute saying your son is not Bipolar and I do feel for you.
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And I am saying that mood swings alone would not lead a Doctor to diagnose Bi Polar. Your own post lists a number of factors, and it takes a specialist to finally asses the patient, not a GP. By the time somebody is diagnosed they have usually been through many years of uncertainty and trauma.

Mental health ssues have to be taken more seriously. You can't just dismiss them.
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And I never said mood swings "alone". I also never said "dismiss" mental health.

My point is, that labelling a child with an "incorrect" diagnosis could in fact cause mental health. Its well known throughout the medical profession that Bipolar has been over diagnosed in children. In some cases like with Kat, they have been correctly diagnosed. However what about all those that were incorrect?

Ive seen many kids in schools that go into special needs classes(im NOT linking this with bipolar Heath ok?). Once this happens, the child has been labelled and pigeon holed. This could be causing more harm than good long term for that child.

And considering we have more 18 - 25 year old's that are claiming disability benefit under mental health reasons than any of the western world. I think there is case here to be investigated.
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A couple of points here. Yes, it may have been over diagnosed, yet those that have been "labeled" incorrectly still had Psychological disorders. They still needed help. They probably still needed the Benefit System to help them.

Also, it takes on average 10 years to diagnose Bi-Polar, so I very much doubt kids are being labeled too early, and it then "causes mental health". These kids have problems. Mis-diagnosis isn't ideal, but it's better than ignoring it and just turning a blind eye.

We need GPs to start referring cases earlier, and we need to support every kid that has problems.
 
The Fear - 23/4/2013 13:49

Still can't understand why all benefits aren't means tested and they should be opt IN.

ie heating allowance. What a joke that millionaires get it along with those who are below the poverty line and most of the millionaires would agree! You can't even stop them if you wanted to.
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Again, it comes down to cost. It's very expensive to means test. It would cost more than the £200, or however much it is now, to implement.
 
well lets look at it a bit more closely ....

he confesses that its actually him, he confesses he hit the horse, and confessed his on disability benefits.

so whats his illness or disability ... its sarcoidosis, an inflammation of the lungs. heres the link from google http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcoidosis

but lets have a look at some of the statements?

‘I can’t even walk up the stairs. Doing anything physical is hard,’ he said

be interesting where he sat in the stadium and how far to transport, plus where was his carer/friends?



 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 23/4/2013 13:57

The Fear - 23/4/2013 13:49

Still can't understand why all benefits aren't means tested and they should be opt IN.

ie heating allowance. What a joke that millionaires get it along with those who are below the poverty line and most of the millionaires would agree! You can't even stop them if you wanted to.
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Again, it comes down to cost. It's very expensive to means test. It would cost more than the £200, or however much it is now, to implement.
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Surely there is enough information stored on people now to give the £200 to the needy initially and let the rest complain/apply.
At least it would be a step in the right direction.
 
Yup. I know a very rich couple, she has MS (horrible obviously) and so has DLA for it, they give it to their grand kids and daughter as 'pocket money'.

Not the idea of the benefit is it? It is meant to help those who can't afford it to be able to get out, pay for disability help etc.

 
The British public reckon benefit cheats are a massive problem: a recent opinion poll showed Brits typically believed 27% of the welfare budget is lost to fraud. Given the public also think benefits are considerably higher than they really are, that all adds up.

The reality, though, is much less dramatic. The DWP publishes official estimates of fraud in the welfare system. The most recent publication estimated overall fraud at 0.7% of the benefits bill. At £1.2bn, that sum might – just – be said to count as "billions". But we should remember benefits can be underpaid as well as overpaid – and last year, those underpayments (arising from errors by either officials or claimants) added up to £1.3bn – more than the cost of fraud.
 
Clubpaver - 23/4/2013 14:02

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 23/4/2013 13:57

The Fear - 23/4/2013 13:49

Still can't understand why all benefits aren't means tested and they should be opt IN.

ie heating allowance. What a joke that millionaires get it along with those who are below the poverty line and most of the millionaires would agree! You can't even stop them if you wanted to.
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Again, it comes down to cost. It's very expensive to means test. It would cost more than the £200, or however much it is now, to implement.
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Surely there is enough information stored on people now to give the £200 to the needy initially and let the rest complain/apply.
At least it would be a step in the right direction.
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Sadly, in the modern age it would still cost a fortune. To double check every person over 65 that could be entitled to it would consume a massive number of man hours. Data Protection means that information cannot be shared, so you are talking about another set of forms that need completing by everybody, and then analysing.

I agree, it should be easy, but current Laws prevent it being so.
 
i would not trust those "estimate" figures as most are just plucked out of the sky, same as when they go on about tax avoidance ... again plucked out of the sky figures, think about it? how would they actually know.
 
The Fear - 23/4/2013 13:49

Still can't understand why all benefits aren't means tested and they should be opt IN.

ie heating allowance. What a joke that millionaires get it along with those who are below the poverty line and most of the millionaires would agree! You can't even stop them if you wanted to.
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I agree but the problem we have is that the rich should not be punished for doing well. In other words progress should be encouraged not deterred. I think the council tax is the biggest con of them all. It is only based on the value of the property NOT the outstanding mortgage a person(s) may have etc. Council services should not be valued by the property, yet by how much you use. An elderly couple in a 400k house may use less bin bags than a young family in a 100k house. Yet the elderly couple pay 4 times more for the service...Its a con.
 
Green Tea - 23/4/2013 14:09

The Fear - 23/4/2013 13:49

Still can't understand why all benefits aren't means tested and they should be opt IN.

ie heating allowance. What a joke that millionaires get it along with those who are below the poverty line and most of the millionaires would agree! You can't even stop them if you wanted to.
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I agree but the problem we have is that the rich should not be punished for doing well. In other words progress should be encouraged not deterred. I think the council tax is the biggest con of them all. It is only based on the value of the property NOT the outstanding mortgage a person(s) may have etc. Council services should not be valued by the property, yet by how much you use. An elderly couple in a 400k house may use less bin bags than a young family in a 100k house. Yet the elderly couple pay 4 times more for the service...Its a con.
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Finally, we agree on something. It's worse than that - some of the money I pay down here in the South ends up in the North somewhere to subsidise some areas.

I only need my bin emptying every three weeks, yet I pay the same as the families across the road who's bins are overflowing every week.
 
Here in Belgium, it's means tested. You are encouraged to recycle (green, PMD, glass and paper) as rubbish bags are 2 euros a peice! System works fine.
 
tarzan - 23/4/2013 14:18

Here in Belgium, it's means tested. You are encouraged to recycle (green, PMD, glass and paper) as rubbish bags are 2 euros a peice! System works fine.
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Do you pay council tax?
 
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