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F@@@ The Disabled

LOL, no I bet it didn't go down well. But yes, some really could push and do some work.

Not sure how easy it is made for people to get back to work when they've been on the sick OR if they have some sort of illness/disability. I guess it another part of the equation that is easier to say than actually do something about.

People aren't always understanding in relation to anyone 'different' but as said, I have no idea what schemes and help there is out there.

You are most likely one of the people who could get away with doing feck all and not worrying about contributing, I am as well in fairness. But same as you, it just doesn't suit or fit right. I used the system when I needed it and cried tears of joy the day I was able to :18: (with thanks) to the help and get back on my own two (wobbly :3: ) feet.
 
Good arguments JF, don't know you well but presume you've 'been there'.

It's all about context; sadly the Daily Hate Mail excels in removing context and inserting bigoted horse-shit (see what I did there, did a horse thing in a horse related thread).

My own context: I hate twats, don't care if they 're scroungers or millionaire tax evaders, if they 're sticking two fingers up to the system that the majority of us abide by/work towards then they can do one (not quite sure what that actually means, probably not gas chambers to be fair).

The only thing I'll say is that I can't abide vitriolic newspapers that pay 'columnists' (Littlejohn, Platell and others)' to spout context-free crap and AND do so with their fricking photo plastered on the page (I really don't care what they look like).

As Homer Simpson once said: "I never apologise. I'm sorry, that's just the way I am".
 
Fear, bit harsh saying they dont care. IDS seems well aware what is going on and knows the rich and pensioners are getting certain benefits like the heating payment etc that they may not necessarily need. The hard part is changing a system that is already in place and keeping it as fair as possible.

The biggest problem for the rich giving up any benefits they receive is that they know very well that some are claiming when they are fit to work. And it becomes a two can play this game. Unfortunately we do not live in an honest society, IDS knows this, you know this, everyone knows this. And its the vulnerable that get punished. I do not blame the rich for claiming what they can get away with in a system where they see yobs rioting the streets and teenage girls getting pregnant like there is no tomorrow.

I think he is doing all he can to try and change the system but I dont think the Tories will get a 2nd term in office, so we may never see a fair welfare state happen.
 
You've got more chance getting a job if your disabled, it's another card to play. If your a disabled black lesbian dwarf with bipolar then you can get any job you want, they wouldn't dare turn you away.

 
You are all missing the point. The welfare state cannot continue as it is = FACT! We as a country cannot afford it.

Maybe had we not allowed in half the third world under the Labour government just maybe we could afford to look after "our" most vulnerable in society. But unfortunately because of Labour's charitable nature on the less fortunate in the third world countries seeking asylum and freebies, we now have a welfare state that is spending more than what the country can earn. = This cannot continue, so something has to be done.

In 1979 when Thatcher came into power the country was on its knees spending more on the state than what the state earned. The IMF were called in and we were living on borrowed money. Thatcher brought us out of this hole with privatisation. Which was/did work perfectly for ourselves for over 2 decades. She didnt want Europe, she said the Euro would never work because different countries were at different levels within the EU. She didnt want the mass immigration that Europe would bring. Im not a racist but opening our doors to Eastern Europeans and later the third world, it has destroyed our welfare state.
 
There is no argument against what you say green tea, you're spot on. The problem is, we cannot get out of it now because our hands are tied by Europe and the lefty liberals who won't stand for drastic change.
 
not sure who that was Skeggy, all posts I've merged into this thread are showing up as today, but it was months and months ago.

I've not banned anyone for a very long time so might have been someone who requested to be removed.
 
post about ten back is blank where username would be. Sometimes people ask to be removed, it baffles me why they don't just stop posting. But no idea who.

back on topic... cheers.
 
I watched a programme on a Sky the other night, it's similar to channel 4's undateables but follows disabled trying to get dates. One of the disabled had alapecia but was dead fit so to ge back on topic I'd f@@k her and she's disabled
 
Yup but that is you Skeggy, all heart and totally charitable. You have my utmost respect!

Must admit, I can't really watch those sorts of programmes, find something a bit sad and maybe even exploitative about them. Maybe it's just because I'm unloveable (Smiths song) myself! :3:
 
Bloke I know is currently doing the transfer from DLA to PIP. He was due to have a medical from a health care professional who was meant to visit him. He waited and waited and the appointment time came and went phoned them and I was told it had been cancelled, they apparently tried to phone him up but couldn't get him. When he stated he was in all day they just rebooked it for 8am a few days later
 
Green Tea - 16/1/2015 11:19

Its impossible that those figures are correct, unless they all own up. A guy with a bad back, anxiety etc, how would you know unless he told you that he is fit for work or not? So unless he owns up, he would be classed with a 99.3% of those claiming that are genuine.

The best way to judge it is by looking at the stats of other countries that are like ours. And out of ALL other major countries we have TWICE as many unfit to work as they do. Which basically tells us a truer picture of the problem. So we in Britain are genetically producing offspring with disabilities, we have a problem with our education, or we have a problem with the welfare state. Because to have TWICE as many people as Germany, France, Portugal, Spain, USA etc then something isnt right.

The other point is that all these other major countries seem to be inline with each other in regards those unfit to work. It averages out that around 2% of their population are unable to work due to disabilities. Britain is 4%.

So what have Labour done to create a society of double the unfit to work than our friends overseas? Thus something the good old Tories are now looking into to sort out!

The Fraud & Error report uses standard statistical 95% confidence limits. That means that they are 95% certain that the true figure lies between 0.6% and 1%.

The National Fraud Office Annual Fraud Indicator confirms that the estimate for benefit fraud covers both identified and hidden fraud, and it also gave the DWP estimate its top "BRAG" rating which means it had "excellent" confidence in that estimate.

The credible evidence confirms that benefit fraud is very low in percentage terms and the monetary amount is much less than tax fraud. Anyone found guilty of any type of fraud should be sanctioned.

As for a comparison with other countries, the same OECD report that showed that people aged 20-34 are twice as likely to be "on disability benefit" (nb being on disability benefit does not necessarily mean they are not working) confirms that "Public spending on sickness and disability makes up 11% of all UK public social spending, slightly over the OECD average of 10%", so not hugely generous.

For all Labour's many faults your attempt to blame Labour for those "unfit to work" shows a fundamental lack of understanding on your part. The caseload for those receiving "incapacity benefits" (ie for those unfit to work) can be seen in the DWP benefit expenditure tables. They cover Invalidity Benefit/Incapacity Benefit/Severe Disablement Allowance/Employment & Support Allowance. They show the total claimant count as follows:

1979 - 1,253,000

1997 - 2,819,000

2010 - 2,662,000

Real terms expenditure was down by over £3.2bn pa under Labour as opposed to rising by £9.8bn pa under the Tories.

As for the Tories sorting things out, sadly for their supporters in the gutter press who produced a series of highly inaccurate headlines, the latest DWP statistical summary confirms that, after nearly all the IB-ESA migration has finally been done (many months behind schedule) the total caseload is down by less than 3.6%. It is also worth noting that the Work & Pensions Committee confirmed that being found "fit for work" does not mean that you do not have an illness/disability. A report also highlighted that many of these people still require specialised help, such as a pa or reduced hours, in order to return to work.

As for the Tories supposedly sorting the bill for incapacity and disability benefits, the actual evidence shows the contrary in pretty spectacular circumstances. Re spending on ESA, the OBR welfare trends report said that current spending had been underestimated by £0.9bn pa and they also have increased their forecast of ESA in 2017-18 by £2.1bn pa. The reasons for this include slow claims processing, people being more seriously ill/disabled than forecast and thus qualifying for the Support Group, more successful appeals (in the last tax year alone there were more than 135,000) and an overestimate of how many would be affected by time limiting.

As for spending on DLA (& PIP), the Tory led coalition said that their cuts would reduce the amount spent in 2014-15 by £1.2bn pa. However, in November the IFS confirmed that spending has actually increased by £1.6bn pa! This is due to the "significant delays" in the implementation of PIP which has been severely criticised by the likes of the National Audit Office and Public Accounts Committee.

The tenure of Iain Duncan Smith will be remembered for its staggering incompetence which has failed huge numbers of chronically ill and disabled people as well as also failing the taxpayer.
 
Well that is what I can a comprehensive post. Thanks for those stats and facts mate.
 
I love the undateables, but have only seen a few of them. I think a lot of people avoid getting to know the disabled, would rather turn a blind eye to them, or just don't really come into contact with them. In my opinion, the programme shows the stars in a very endearing light, and whilst it may be sad, possibly even exploitative, it's also very heartwarming at times.
When you look at the materialistic world we live in and the bullshit in it, I see a correlation with the undateables and how some of the poorest people in the world can make the most of life despite the hand they've been dealt.
 
Thank you, from me to, for that post Ricard. Very interesting. I like the informative posts