#COVID19

[Pope John XXIII]

Ok. I obviously misunderstood. So what does this mean, as it implies teachers shouldn't be treated like the rest of the population. "Go swing" also implies you aren't too happy with the way the government is allocating the vaccine.

I don't have a problem with the priority list, as I am not an epidemiologist with the expertise to say who goes where.

My issue is with the growing suspicion that the rest of the population won't be vaccinated at all.

The government has been deliberately vague about this. I believe the September priority list stated "rest of the population as appropriate" which I find suspicious. Hancock himself has suggested in the past that the under 55s may not automatically have access to it at all. Last week he was talking about "almost the whole population by Easter" but it's very much a case of 'i'll believe it when I see it".

Should the under 55s not receive the vaccine I would be rather miffed. We are, after all, paying for it and will be for many years.

In terms of priority, I think there is some merit to having certain public servants done at the front of the under 55 queues. Not because of an especial danger to our health but in order to support as rapid a return to normal as possible.

For instance, it makes perfect sense to vaccinate police and fire services ASAP outside of the high priority groups; not sure if it's still the case, but police had to double up on cars because they couldn't share one. If an officer has to self isolate for a fortnight it puts strain on everyone else.

Same with fire. It makes sense, in order to keep a public service running well, to vaccinate them. Same as the teachers; if the government is serious about having as little disruption to education as possible then the obvious thing to do is vaccinate the teachers. It is our absence for 10-14 days that causes schools to end up shut.

I think there is also merit in terms of combating vaccine hesitancy as well. Everyone knows a teacher and many meet the police day to day; if public servants like them have been vaccinated, it is a positive advert for the safety of the vaccine.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

Thanks for that insight Pope from someone whom i consider to be in the front line of this shit storm, much appreciated. Next question, what has the level of illness been like? You can see where i am going on this i am sure. I am thinking snotty nose at one end, death at the other and everything in between? Anybody been hospitalised that you know of for instance?

No hospitalisations amongst staff or students to my knowledge. I don't know about parents or family, but none I know of. We do have staff who have lost family members but nothing to do with school.

Worst I've heard of is bad flu.

We do have some young people suffering a light form of long Covid though

We also have young people who have missed weeks and weeks through successive self isolations, eg first mum, then dad, then brother etc.

 

[mao tse tung]

R0 down to 0.9-1.0, seems logical to impose tighter restrictions than when it was higher.

Wales is closing pubs for xmas, after they've had a circuit breaker to avoid closing pubs for xmas.

Am I dreaming this fuckwittery?

There was a phone in on the Today Programme this morning; a couple of "experts" took calls from listener's who wanted to know what was allowed when moving between tier 2 and tier 3 areas.

When they were not contradicting each other the best advice they could give out was "will you be able to justify your actions if questioned by the Police"

Even the hard and fast rules are too ambiguous for the so called experts.

What a fucking shambles

 

[Forest-England]

It is true, he implored the Irish to vote against in their referendum, I also posted quotes by him and his voting history on the EU. Did you read it?

Yes I know all this. But you can't blame everything on him.
Other parties could've got together and we would be in a better position than we face now.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

Yes I know all this. But you can't blame everything on him.
Other parties could've got together and we would be in a better position than we face now.

Oh, I have plenty of ire for the Lib Dems and for Cameron and co but Corbyn is a socialist at heart and deeply mistrustful of the EU - which isn't unreasonable as much is based on creating a prosperous trading block with little regulation. To pretend he was pro-remaim though is disingenuous.

 

[Calvin Plummer]

Naughty chancellor:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-family-not-declared-in-ministerial-register

 

[radfordinlondon]

If Labour had backed Corbyn over Brexit we would be in a better position than we're today. And by the way I voted to stay.

Why would we back a position that is a fundamental betrayal of labour's core values and history, not to mention our European comrades? Not if jesus himself had proclaimed brexit could i support that position because it is fundamentally a bad idea for the uk, for europe and the world.

 

[radfordinlondon]

Of course it's not a joke , where have I said that both sectors are not needed ? The reality is that starting today the two things we all need are water and food (assuming air is still going free!) . The other sectors are vital long term, and may have an immediate effect on some people, but I certainly wouldn't die next week if there were no teachers, I've lived over 60 years without needing a fireman, and even the vital nurses and police only come into effect if you need them. With no food supplies most of us (particularly the poor) wouldn't last much more than a week.

It was the bit where you said we could all survive longer without public sector key workers.

I think age must have adled your brain, or you didnt start with much chap.

You would die next week without teachers. Think about it for a few minutes and im sure u will figure out why that is so.

Last but not least, your little gem that we dont need police and firemen etc, except when we do.

Tbh with logic like yours i am genuinely astonished you have made it to 60

 

[trickynumber5]

Why would we back a position that is a fundamental betrayal of labour's core values and history, not to mention our European comrades? Not if jesus himself had proclaimed brexit could i support that position because it is fundamentally a bad idea for the uk, for europe and the world.

So you didn't vote?

 

[radfordinlondon]

Naughty chancellor:

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-family-not-declared-in-ministerial-register

Weren't u listening the other day, bojo not doing ministerial code of conduct. He thinks they are just for pussies

 

[radfordinlondon]

So you didn't vote?

I voted remain and labour in the GE

 

[radfordinlondon]

The worlds most successful economy (the US) has 16% of its workforce employed by the state; Germany 12.9%

The UK, by comparison has 21.5%

In the G7 only France employs more than the UK with a quite laughable 25%

Depends who u count direct and indirect. US hardly a healthy society imo and their level of debt isnt too hot either. Norway is a better argument

 

[trickynumber5]

This comes as no surprise. True left wingers oppose the EU. Corbyn is a true left winger.
What confuses me is the many people who support him, who claim to also be left wingers are rabid-remainers.

It's like economic conscription.

 

[trickynumber5]

I voted remain and labour in the GE

Same here. I suppose it's about democracy (despite the crooked outcome).

 

[Lienking]

You would die next week without teachers.

Last but not least, your little gem that we dont need police and firemen etc, except when we do.

Tbh with logic like yours i am genuinely astonished you have made it to 60

Go on then tell me. I haven't seen a working teacher in 20 years, so why would I die next week if I don't see one ? I've lived 60 years without needing a fireman . Nowhere have I said they aren't important, but if you can't understand the relative importance of the various jobs short term, it's not me who has an addled brain.

I'm not decrying any of the professions, it's just a fact. My grandad was a policeman, my sister was a teacher, my son works in the NHS, my daughter effectively works in the NHS (self employed) , but if we have to choose what we have to survive, I will stick with the food and water , thanks.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

Go on then tell me. I haven't seen a working teacher in 20 years, so why would I die next week if I don't see one ? I've lived 60 years without needing a fireman . Nowhere have I said they aren't important, but if you can't understand the relative importance of the various jobs short term, it's not me who has an addled brain.

I'm not decrying any of the professions, it's just a fact. My grandad was a policeman, my sister was a teacher, my son works in the NHS, my daughter effectively works in the NHS (self employed) , but if we have to choose what we have to survive, I will stick with the food and water , thanks.

Very myopic on firemen.

So, the house four streets away that catches fire and you didn't even know it did, what do you think is going to happen with no firemen to put it out? Do you think the flames will get bored and put themselves out? Or could they just keep going until they get to your street and your house?

I personally wouldn't want to be in my 60's enjoying all the lucrative retirement benefits of the Boer generation without a policeman to protect me either.

Nor would you be that pleased with the group's of young people hanging around outside your drive with nothing to do all day because you don't need teachers

 

[Lienking]

I don't have a problem with the priority list, as I am not an epidemiologist with the expertise to say who goes where.

My issue is with the growing suspicion that the rest of the population won't be vaccinated at all.

The government has been deliberately vague about this. I believe the September priority list stated "rest of the population as appropriate" which I find suspicious. Hancock himself has suggested in the past that the under 55s may not automatically have access to it at all. Last week he was talking about "almost the whole population by Easter" but it's very much a case of 'i'll believe it when I see it".

Should the under 55s not receive the vaccine I would be rather miffed. We are, after all, paying for it and will be for many years.

In terms of priority, I think there is some merit to having certain public servants done at the front of the under 55 queues. Not because of an especial danger to our health but in order to support as rapid a return to normal as possible.

For instance, it makes perfect sense to vaccinate police and fire services ASAP outside of the high priority groups; not sure if it's still the case, but police had to double up on cars because they couldn't share one. If an officer has to self isolate for a fortnight it puts strain on everyone else.

Same with fire. It makes sense, in order to keep a public service running well, to vaccinate them. Same as the teachers; if the government is serious about having as little disruption to education as possible then the obvious thing to do is vaccinate the teachers. It is our absence for 10-14 days that causes schools to end up shut.

I think there is also merit in terms of combating vaccine hesitancy as well. Everyone knows a teacher and many meet the police day to day; if public servants like them have been vaccinated, it is a positive advert for the safety of the vaccine.

So you have decided that the under 55s aren't getting the jab, and then criticise the government for not giving the jab to you !? You aren't critical of the list, but because the government hasn't carried the list down, as usual you have assumed the worst case scenario.

We haven't actually got the vaccine yet, and the list is very sketchy. Surely phase one is to save lives, which is what the governments list is aimed at. Phase two will hopefully be aimed at eradicating the disease and getting the economy back to normal. I don't spend hours reading about covid, but my understanding is that a large percentage of the population will need to be vaccinated.

How long it takes to achieve will depend on variables that the scientific people haven't come up with yet. How long the vaccine actually works for, effectiveness ,speed of production etc.

 

[Lienking]

Very myopic on firemen.

So, the house four streets away that catches fire and you didn't even know it did, what do you think is going to happen with no firemen to put it out? Do you think the flames will get bored and put themselves out? Or could they just keep going until they get to your street and your house?

I personally wouldn't want to be in my 60's enjoying all the lucrative retirement benefits of the Boer generation without a policeman to protect me either.

Nor would you be that pleased with the group's of young people hanging around outside your drive with nothing to do all day because you don't need teachers

If you choose not to understand a simple concept , that's up to you. If they drop a nuclear bomb and they build us a bunker each , I will take the food and water. You can cosy up in yours and have a good chat with the policeman, nurse etc.

Or in a simpler and slightly more likely scenario if there was a universal strike, who and what would you miss first ? Does nobody understand the concept of RELATIVE importance, without saying that anyone is not needed at all ?

I am obviously not capable of understanding why I would die next week without a teacher, so I'm open to "mansplaining" or whatever it's called nowadays. Think it was Radford who said that, but if you know why, I would be grateful for an answer.

 

[Pope John XXIII]

So you have decided that the under 55s aren't getting the jab, and then criticise the government for not giving the jab to you !? You aren't critical of the list, but because the government hasn't carried the list down, as usual you have assumed the worst case scenario.

We haven't actually got the vaccine yet, and the list is very sketchy. Surely phase one is to save lives, which is what the governments list is aimed at. Phase two will hopefully be aimed at eradicating the disease and getting the economy back to normal. I don't spend hours reading about covid, but my understanding is that a large percentage of the population will need to be vaccinated.

How long it takes to achieve will depend on variables that the scientific people haven't come up with yet. How long the vaccine actually works for, speed of production etc.

You really don't understand why so many people lose patience with you and lose their rag do you?

You honestly see yourself as a pure innocent victim. Re read your first paragraph and then tell me if that is conducive to a constructive debate, which I have made every effort to facilitate.

 

[radfordinlondon]

Go on then tell me. I haven't seen a working teacher in 20 years, so why would I die next week if I don't see one ? I've lived 60 years without needing a fireman . Nowhere have I said they aren't important, but if you can't understand the relative importance of the various jobs short term, it's not me who has an addled brain.

I'm not decrying any of the professions, it's just a fact. My grandad was a policeman, my sister was a teacher, my son works in the NHS, my daughter effectively works in the NHS (self employed) , but if we have to choose what we have to survive, I will stick with the food and water , thanks.

The blindingly obvious answer is everybody needs a teacher before they can do something. Without teachers there would be no lorry drivers or nurses or anything else, we'd be living in caves. Everything u take for granted is based on education and learning.

Without teachers, there is no modern world chap.