Merlin128777
Vital Squad Member
Yup, I voted remain, leaving and the benefits people think are coming baffles me. I really means baffles, totally discombobulated and worried for the economy that isn't properly out of choppy waters from the recession and the ensuing austerity philosophy of the Tories.
SO. To me, it should have been an easy sell and one that should have been split to talk to the different generations, not just on their worries (as you say the negative talk) but also the positives.
Immigration was allowed to be the main talking point because of the Daily Mail Line and the despicable shite from Farage (the poster alone was enough for me, but also his bullshit on NHS tourism) but he was able to attract a certain audience, knew how to peddle what he was selling and it was bought.
It was project fear for remain, a lot of the brexit stuff was project xenophobia and project lies. It was also political manoeuvring from the likes of Johnson who is just a chancer.
Remain could have swung it targeting the youth, tell them what could happen to the currency/exchange and spell it out 'that is your holidays 20% more expensive'. Explain the phone tariffs and spell out 'this is your future, not ours, get our and vote, or don't moan once done'
The £350m lie on the bus could have been dispelled and stability and 30 years of integration could have been a counter argument. They could also have told the story of the massive % of those 'bloody foreigners' who help run our NHS, hotels, catering industry etc.
I guess they could even have said if they aren't here to do our jobs, I hope those of you who can't be arsed to work realise you will have to!
How is it all going? I agree Merlin, no one can say, it's still being negotiated.
I hold to my original argument though, I wouldn't trust these people to organise a piss up in a brewery, so I sure as hell don't trust them to negotiate a good deal for Britain.
Oh and I'd have also challenged those who think the law has been taken out of our hands to list the exact laws taken from us that they are worried about, how they would repeal them and how that would be for the betterment of the country.
Your average Joe Blog would no doubt have cited the myth about the law on bananas. I'm sure Farage used it during the campaign.
Fear on the one side, lies and xenophobia on the other side.
What a mess
*not saying all were racially motived, that would be totally untrue, but it was a major theme that Farage managed to whip up to even include refugees who as anyone with an education should have been able to realise, were not European
I hope those who voted for Brexit, in good faith, are rewarded by the right outcome being delivered. With the fact no one seems to be able to come out with a unified idea of what Brexit even means, I'm sorry but I very much doubt that will happen.
I hope the lies are properly exposed at some point and the likes of Farage and Johnson get their just rewards. Although, just for balance, now it is happening, I hope it all works out brilliantly and we don't all have to pay a high price.
It'll be interesting. Or maybe it won't !
I fully appreciate your arguments Jonathan let me say it was far from an easy decision to make my family was split down the middle on this vote (although we did not allow ourselves to fall out over it.) Strangely when I voted it was not with myself in mind but more my grandchildren. I do agree that immigrants by and large keep the NHI running, for me its not about colour,race or creed but about numbers with an infrastructure that cannot cope.
Any one with half a brain would not have been taken in by Farage or Johnstone and come to that Osborne or Cairney . I expected 4/5 hard years after brexit for the economy. As for the single market and customs union Cameron made it crystal clear we would come out of both. I Do know it does not help the remain cause to hear some billionaire is pumping millions into stopping brexit. if big money is so against it the man in the street is going to be even more for it.
Personally I think the worse thing that could happen would be to remain in the single market and customs union. I would much rather stay in the E.U. and have a vote. As I put in my earlier post this could have been avoided with a bit of foresight by German & French premiers. If they had given Cameron something it would have stopped brexit dead. Worse still is seeing the rise of the far right in Europe for all the worst kind of reasons,this really worries me.