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why i dont give to charity.

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#1
as someone who has had employment in the past which has worked with various charities (worked at sign companies fitting the shops and worked in a charity last year) i have seen first hand how they operate when money in concerned, and at one time there was something in the press which said about out of every pound only 5p makes it to the actual source.

then reading my bible this morning, i almost spat out my tea in anger and warn people.

Figures revealed that the highest paid charity boss included Justin Forsyth, a former Labour Party adviser who earns £163,000 as chief executive of Save the Children.

British Red Cross chief executive Sir Nick Young, a former City lawyer earned £184,000 last year, while Dame Barbara Stocking of Oxfam took home £119,560 before stepping down this year.

Six staff earn more than the Prime Minister’s £142,500 salary at the 14 charities which make up the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) – which brings together aid organisations to raise money quickly for the victims of natural disasters.

High earners do not need to be identified in its annual accounts, and the top salary of between £190,000 and £200,000 was given to an unnamed employee at the British Red Cross.

These charities rely on public funds, having received more than £1.1billion over the past three years from the Government, the United Nations and the EU.

There are 186 staff earning over £60,000 – a 16 per cent rise in three years, while the number on six-figure salaries has risen from 22 in 2010 to 30 last year. Comic Relief, which is separate from the DEC, pays its chief executive Kevil Cahill CBE a salary of £130,000 and has 21 members of staff on more than £60,000.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385754/Fury-charity-boss-says-donors-dont-mind-paying-figure-salaries.html#ixzz2bHPE9jte

this at the same a ukip m.e.p is in the news about bongo land which basically is him warning about were charity and aid money from the taxpayer goes to.

A senior UKIP politician has been rebuked after telling activists that Britain should not be sending aid to ‘bongo bongo land’.

Godfrey Bloom, a UKIP member of the European Parliament, suggested foreigners used aid to ‘buy Ray-Ban sunglasses’ and ‘apartments in Paris’.

As a political storm grew over the remarks, he remained defiant, insisting he was standing up for 'ordinary people'.

But today UKIP chairman Steve Crowther said: 'We are asking Godfrey not to use this phrase again as it might be considered disparaging by members from other countries.

'However, foreign aid is an extremely important debate that needs wider discussion.'

Mr Bloom's remarks emerged in the week his party is due to publish its list of approved candidates for next year’s European elections – at which the party hopes to get the biggest share of the vote.

Asked what he would do if he was reprimanded, Mr Bloom told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'I'd say "Righto, sorry, sorry everybody".

'If I've offended anybody in bongo bongo land I shall write to the ambassador at the Court of St James's and apologise to him personally.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385753/Godfrey-Bloom--Leaked-recording-UKIP-MEPs-racist-outburst.html#ixzz2bHPm6gKs



 

OnMeHeadFred

Vital Reserves Team
#2
Even when you donate an article to an High Street charity store, only 20p in the pound is passed on to the cause.

So 80% of the money raised from donations ends up in the pockets of greedy middle-class people, either as salaries or rent.

Some African dictators steal less than that.
 

RosettaStoned

Vital Football Legend
#3
Well.....

I give to charity.

I am aware that people take salaries, and i am happy for the trade off. - although not to the extremes written in the article above.

Having said that, its from the daily fail so probably 90% bullshit.

i would rather give £1 and 20p make it through to the people that need it than just assume its pointless and give nothing so 0p gets through to the people that need it.

 

James06

Vital Football Legend
#4
I give what I can to charities knowing that too much of my donation goes on salaries and advertising. I give whatever I can to charity shops knowing that that staff will have first dibs on my stuff and then again what is raised goes mostly on salaries and advertising. I give as much blood as I can knowing that most of it will likely be thrown away or used for tests and experiments rather than saving people's lives.

but there is a chance that it could be my quid or my blood that make a difference, and it makes me feel better for doing it.
 

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#5
lol at blaming the mail, the mail actually puts a gun to the heads of the executives and says "take these salaries, so we can publish a story about them"

no doubt if was the guardian reporting it ....

do you think most people know about the salaries then james? or does giving to charity make them feel better, more of a selfish thing or even to brag when entertaining guests?
 

SKEGGY

Bringer Of The Seasons
#6
I find the shaking of collection tins, so to speak, annoying. I give to the charities that mean something to me and that's it!
 

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
#7
I like the smaller charities where you know it is voluntary, passions etc. Animal sanctuaries etc.

Some of those employed in the charity sector are disgustingly greedy I think and the more you find out, the less impressed you can be at their antics.

I remember canceling a direct debit many many years ago to the WWF (World Wildlife Fund) having seen the top company cars they were driving.

I found a more specialised animal charity where they were more accountable.
 

James06

Vital Football Legend
#9
Tell you what, you talk about the shaking of tins. I was stuck in traffic on the way home yesterday wondering what on earth the delay was. Then I reached a pedestrian crossing where the local arabs kept pressing the button so they could go to car windows and shake their buckets, something to with ramamdan?

I was going to have a go, but I was in the heart of Alum Rock and would probably have got my head chopped off so instead I put my George Michael CD in and turned up 'freedom' as it was the most democratic, easy, non aggressive thing i could think of to piss them off.

I got a few funny looks, that was it.
 
#11
As ever, there are two sides to the argument, yet the Daily Mail majors on the one that will get the biggest reaction.

What would these people earn in the Private Sector? What do they bring for the money they get paid? Would these charities raise half the money they do without proper leadership and direction?

Sometimes, you get what you pay for.
 

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#12
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 7/8/2013 14:11

As ever, there are two sides to the argument, yet the Daily Mail majors on the one that will get the biggest reaction.

What would these people earn in the Private Sector? What do they bring for the money they get paid? Would these charities raise half the money they do without proper leadership and direction?

Sometimes, you get what you pay for.
interesting and yet at the same time they earn more then an m.p and even the prime minister. if you delve into it a bit further, then i would not be surprised if most of the execs were part time also.
 
#13
Have you delved deeper, though, badge? Has the Daily Mail? Why would being part time make it any worse? If their influence brings in 100 times what you pay them, does it matter what you pay them?

I know that I don't have all the facts, so I am going to reserve judgment. Surely that is the only logical response, at this point?
 

SKEGGY

Bringer Of The Seasons
#14
Most of the executives are probably MP's

I had a bloke ask me to give to Kosovo orphans once. I was in a pub and had only started going out with my future wife a few weeks previously. When I told him I only gave to charities in this country I must admit I was worried what her reaction would be!
 

Trekker

Has a high horse
#15
SKEGGY - 7/8/2013 15:02

Most of the executives are probably MP's

I had a bloke ask me to give to Kosovo orphans once. I was in a pub and had only started going out with my future wife a few weeks previously. When I told him I only gave to charities in this country I must admit I was worried what her reaction would be!
Did she say " come here you big hunk of man you"

 

SKEGGY

Bringer Of The Seasons
#16
No she said is that Trekker and internationally renowned fashion designer Bruce Oldfield over there enjoying a scampi in a basket meal and half a carafe of house white?
 

badge73

Vital 1st Team Regular
#17
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 7/8/2013 15:00

Have you delved deeper, though, badge? Has the Daily Mail? Why would being part time make it any worse? If their influence brings in 100 times what you pay them, does it matter what you pay them?

I know that I don't have all the facts, so I am going to reserve judgment. Surely that is the only logical response, at this point?
well only delved a small bit into the exec of red cross sir nick young, and according to wiki

In 1985, he left law for the charity sector, becoming Secretary for development at the Sue Ryder Foundation.[4] Between 1990 and 1995, he was Director of UK Operations for the British Red Cross.[5] From 1995 to 2001, he was Chief Executive of Macmillan Cancer Relief. In 2001, he returned to the British Red Cross to become its Chief Executive.[4] For 2013, his salary in that role is a controversial £184,000, given that the income of the charity is falling.[6][7]

In addition to his career in the charity sector, he has held a number of government positions. From 2000 to 2001, he was a member of the NHS Modernisation Board.[5] There he was the architect of the new NHS cancer plan. He continued his influence on government health policy as an adviser to the then health secretary, Alan Milburn.[3] From 2010, he is a member of the Foreign Secretary’s Human Rights Advisory Group.[5][8] He has been an independent member of the National Honours Committee who review nominations for a British honour since 2011.[5]

so shows evidence of working in different areas at the same time which suggests the role at the red cross is not full time, im sure other members on the forums could random look up others as well.
 

OnMeHeadFred

Vital Reserves Team
#19
Save The Children boast on their website that a £3 donation will save 8 children's lives.

So how many lives did Forsyth's £30k pay-rise cost?

With a politician in charge and there being implications that they were working for the CIA in Pakistan, I think we have to accept that this charity, like many others, are deeply embedded in the political system and vice versa, and are merely thinly disguised arms of foreign policy.

I don't think I could donate to any of these organisations with much confidence.

Besides we are already contributing £12bn via our taxes.
 

Trekker

Has a high horse
#20
SKEGGY - 7/8/2013 15:20

No she said is that Trekker and internationally renowned fashion designer Bruce Oldfield over there enjoying a scampi in a basket meal and half a carafe of house white?
Oswald Boatang actually.