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Vegan fascists, or rather, fascists at a vegan food fayre (n/g)

Buddha said:
Yeah, totally.

As Jo has pointed out, although veganism is often political it isn't always necessarily so.

Nevertheless, veganism and anarchism are natural bedfellows. Although it is obviously not true that all vegans are anarchists, nor vice versa, there is a definite crossover. Probably because of the fact that often vegans and anarchists are concerned with issues such as animal rights and environmentalism.

Anyway, as I said before, I thought the fascists should be allowed to trade but that people should be made aware of the fact that they're fascists so that all the anti-fascists would know to boycott the fascist cake stall.

I have no evidence to support this assertion but my guy feeling is that there are more anti-fascist vegans than fascist ones!

Not impossible to conceive of far right vegans though, as Jo pointed put, Hitler was a vegetarian.
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excellent thread as it can go off on many tangents lol.

Who deemed these people fascist and were they deemed under a 1940s interpretation or a 2001 'Woke anyone who does not agree with me' interpretation.

If the Vegans were expounding the eventual enforced banning of eating meat then are they the fascists? In fact is not the informing on other people slightly Orwellian.

For 3x6 Are Hindus Vegan? - no, as most eat butter, fish and milk and some eat meat, Jains on the other hand are mostly Vegan and the other Hindu offshoot the Sikhs are a mixture of vegetarians and Omnivores.

So many other diversions - no platform or cake table for fascists, etc lol.
 
Buddha said:
When South Africa had apartheid lots of people, including my parents, boycotted South African produce.

Was this a breach of anti-discrimination laws? Or are these laws that you refer to new laws?
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No. The laws i'm referring to are (c/p from Wikipedia)

"Anti-discrimination law may include protections for groups based on, ethnicity, nationality, disability, mental illness or ability, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity/expression, sex characteristics, religion, creed, or individual political opinions."

I would suggest that

"But, at the same time, everybody who visited the fayre should be made aware of the politics of these particular cake sellers" would be in breach of that.

Couldn't your friends have politely but firmly explained why views different to their own were wrong and unacceptable (if they were vegans they should know how to do this). Your friends and the no-longer-fascists would then be in agreement and the issue would be resolved.

How did this end?. Did people eat cupcakes unaware of the abhorrent political views of the persons that mad them?
 
Interesting, if not bizarre thread. Just another reason this board is so bloody addictive!

Just a few things to add -

The discrimination thing may sit in a similar way to the cake shop owners a few years ago that took an order to make a wedding cake, then refused to honour the order once they found out the happy couple were a pair of gay guys. From memory the couple claimed sexual discrimination, yet the shop owners said it is their right to choose who to serve, bake for, etc. And as devout Christians they didn’t feel comfortable making a cake for gay people. Daft really, their money is as good any anyone else’s...... I seem to remember the bakers won the court case too.

Regarding the facist vegan food stall (love that btw!) I’m not sure “outing them” is fair, is it? The same as outing them if they were gay, trans, disabled, etc wouldn’t be. Discrimination against political beliefs sits alongside all these other protected status.

I would also say you wouldn’t make anyone entering the festival state their personal political allegiance so why should a vendor have to do it.

Quick edit.

Regarding vegetarianism, we generally have a few “meat free” nights per week. For no other reason than I love a jacket with cheese and beans, ratatouille, pesto pasta, a slow cooker chilli With quorn mince is far less greasy and tastier than beef mince.
Don’t deprive me of an inch thick rare steak or Sunday lunch roast lamb though. Everything in moderation.
 
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I think it would make an interesting social experiment to line up the fascist vegan food stalls down one side of the fayre and the anti fascist food stalls down the other side, advertise the fact and see who got most custom. I suspect that if the punters were average joes then they wouldn't give two hoots and would gravitate towards quality and value. However, if as Buddha intimated, vegan food fayres are more like to attract the anti fash then it's not really a fair contest.
However, I find basing shopping habits on political grounds somewhat bizarre. Would I go without a steak if the butcher happened to be an anarchist or a cabbage because the farmer had socialist leanings? No, and I can't imagine many would. I accept that people are free to give their custom to who they deem fit but imo, politicising something as basic a pastime as shopping is exactly the mindset that causes so much division, fear and hatred.
 
What's wrong with fascist vegans? Hitler was vegetarian nobody had invented vegans then. Also the first national leader to ban smoking in public places.
 
ffsgills said:
I think it would make an interesting social experiment to line up the fascist vegan food stalls down one side of the fayre and the anti fascist food stalls down the other side, advertise the fact and see who got most custom. I suspect that if the punters were average joes then they wouldn't give two hoots and would gravitate towards quality and value. However, if as Buddha intimated, vegan food fayres are more like to attract the
ffsgills said:
I'm growing to like this guy! (apart from the vegan bit).
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Go for the food. Stay for the punch up.

Look at what we're doing.
Look at who we are, doing what we're doing.
Look at who they say they are, doing what they're doing.
What should we do about people who say that about who they are, doing what they're doing?
Should we stop them doing what they're doing because of who they say they are, or should we let them do what they're doing, but tell everybody who they say they are?
What should everybody we tell who they say they are do, once we've told them who they say they are?

Feck me! That feels like a day's work to absolutely no purpose, and now all the food's been eaten.
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The Roone said:
What's wrong with fascist vegans? Hitler was vegetarian nobody had invented vegans then. Also the first national leader to ban smoking in public places.
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"Remarkably, as soon as the Nazis came to power in 1933, they began to enact scores of animal protection laws, some of which are still operative in Germany.
- Was Hitler a vegetarian? (Sort of.....) He certainly advocated a vegetarian diet and lifestyle, but he by no means maintained the diet consistently.
- Trust the chef who fed him: “I learned this recipe when I worked as a chef, before World War II, in one of the large hotels in Hamburg, Germany,” writes Dione Lucas in her 1964 classic, Gourmet Cooking School Cookbook. “I do not mean to spoil your appetite for stuffed squab [pigeon], but you might be interested to know that it was a great favorite with Mr. Hitler, who dined at the hotel often.” Lest we think she meant a different Mr. Hitler, she adds, “Let us not hold that against a fine recipe, though.”
- Other biographers have him eating sausages and liver on a regular basis, whilst some (such as historian Robert Payne) believe Hitler’s reputation as a vegetarian was a shrewd propaganda campaign to make him appear an ascetic."
 
Rob_b100 said:
Interesting, if not bizarre thread. Just another reason this board is so bloody addictive!

Just a few things to add -

The discrimination thing may sit in a similar way to the cake shop owners a few years ago that took an order to make a wedding cake, then refused to honour the order once they found out the happy couple were a pair of gay guys. From memory the couple claimed sexual discrimination, yet the shop owners said it is their right to choose who to serve, bake for, etc. And as devout Christians they didn’t feel comfortable making a cake for gay people. Daft really, their money is as good any anyone else’s...... I seem to remember the bakers won the court case too.
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Not quite right. They refused to make the cake as the message that the customers wanted was against their religious beliefs. They didn't care that the customers themselves were gay and would have been happy to have made a cake with any other message on. The bakery had previously served the gay couple without issue so could show they didn't care about their sexuality.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Not quite right. They refused to make the cake as the message that the customers wanted was against their religious beliefs. They didn't care that the customers themselves were gay and would have been happy to have made a cake with any other message on. The bakery had previously served the gay couple without issue so could show they didn't care about their sexuality.
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Yep, my understanding that it was a test. I think the message was "support gay marriage". There's no logical reason that needs to be written on a cake, it was just a malicious attempt to cause problems for the religious bakery owner.
 
Buddha, are you going to tell us what your friends did and how this was resolved? There are a number of unanswered questions - were the "fascists" really fascists (or just people with different views to your friends)?
And where was this vegan fayre, and who were the guilty party (so they can be avoided In the future)?
 
ThreeSixes said:
Buddha, are you going to tell us what your friends did and how this was resolved? There are a number of unanswered questions - were the "fascists" really fascists (or just people with different views to your friends)?
And where was this vegan fayre, and who were the guilty party (so they can be avoided In the future)?
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The alleged fascists are being interrogated and evaluated by a board member to determine their allegiances. This may take some time but a lengthy deliberation will follow. I bet there was some very heavy pastry at that event, it's not a speciality of such types. I have eaten some leaden pasties in my time.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Not quite right. They refused to make the cake as the message that the customers wanted was against their religious beliefs. They didn't care that the customers themselves were gay and would have been happy to have made a cake with any other message on. The bakery had previously served the gay couple without issue so could show they didn't care about their sexuality.
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Interesting. I didn’t know (or remember, one of the two) these extra details. Thanks for clarifying. The fact that the shop had served them previously and I assume would continue to serve them but wouldn’t letter an (in their opinion) offensive slogan is probably why the court found in favour.

I do wonder how far their beliefs stretch though. For instance, if this request was made the day after reopening their shop following a 9 month lockdown during a pandemic, would they still have refused? What slogan are allowed? Would they would ice a cake with “all hail the axe murderer”, or “Death to non believers”?

All Hypothetical I know, but boredom is setting in.
 
ThreeSixes said:
Buddha, are you going to tell us what your friends did and how this was resolved? There are a number of unanswered questions - were the "fascists" really fascists (or just people with different views to your friends)?
And where was this vegan fayre, and who were the guilty party (so they can be avoided In the future)?
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3x6, i'm not sure I like your tone and I am tempted to respond in a hateful and abusive manner. However, since you were kind enough (on the traveller thread) to add your capitalised "TRIGGER WARNING" before once again banging on about why you don't like Islam (which sounded to me more like an argument against some individual male Muslims, very similar, incidentally, to your critique of travellers which is in fact simply an argument against some individual travellers) I will, in the spirit of goodwill and
brotherly love, resist such temptation.

Instead I will happily tell you everything I know about this and answer any questions that I can. Everything I know is based upon a five minute conversation I had the evening before last.

1. I'm not quite sure if the fayre has happened or is planned to happen.
2. As already stated, my friends (unfortunately or fortunately, depending upon perspective) cannot remember the name of the group accused of being fascist.
3. The venue, I think, is somewhere in Margate.
4. The friend who told me about this has nothing to do with the fayre. Indeed, the only connection they have (and indeed the only way they know anything at all about this fayre) is that they used to work in a wholefood shop and was recently talking to a former colleague who happens to be involved with the fayre.
5. I asked my friends exactly the same question that you and others have asked: how did they know that they were fascists? The answer given was that the former colleague of my friend who is involved with the fayre had suspicions and did some research. Apparently the group is active on social media and don't hide the fact that they are extremely nationalistic and xenophobic. There was, again apparently, stuff on their social media that was insulting and derogatory about people from other cultures and religions. Not only that but they were also advertising a demonstration in Dover against immigration which everybody (other than perhaps some apologist supporters) would regard as far-right, if not fascist.

This is all I know. As I said, it was only a brief conversation that I had.
 
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Buddha said:
3x6, i'm not sure I like your tone and I am tempted to respond in a hateful and abusive manner. However, since you were kind enough (on the traveller thread) to add your capitalised "TRIGGER WATNING" before once again banging on about why you don't like Islam (which sounded to me more like an argument against some individual male Muslims, very similar, incidentally, to your critique of travellers which is in fact simply an argument against some individual travellers) I will, in the spirit of goodwill and
brotherly love, resist such temptation.

Instead I will happily tell you everything I know about this and answer any questions that I can. Everything I know is based upon a five minute conversation I had the evening before last.

1. I'm not quite sure if the fayre has happened or is planned to happen.
2. As already stated, my friends (unfortunately or fortunately, depending upon perspective) cannot remember the name of the group accused of being fascist.
3. The venue, I think, is somewhere in Margate.
4. The friend who told me about this has nothing to do with the fayre. Indeed, the only connection they have (and indeed the only way they know anything at all about this fayre) is that they used to work in a wholefood shop and was recently talking to a former colleague who happens to be involved with the fayre.
5. I asked my friends exactly the same question that you and others have asked: how did they know that they were fascists? The answer given was that the former colleague of my friend who is involved with the fayre had suspicions and did some research. Apparently the group is active on social media and don't hide the fact that they are extremely nationalistic and xenophobic. There was, again apparently, stuff on their social media that was insulting and derogatory about people from other cultures and religions. Not only that but they were also advertising a demonstration in Dover against immigration which everybody (other than perhaps some apologist supporters) would regard as far-right, if not fascist.

This is all I know. As I said, it was only a brief conversation that I had.
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Well done for keeping it civil 👍
 
valenciagill said:
Well done for keeping it civil 👍
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This sounds to me as if it is deeply patronising and I am tempted to respond in a hateful and abusive manner.

However, in the spirit of goodwill and brotherly love I will instead assume you are genuine and sincere.

Thanks mate, your comment has warmed the cockels of my heart. Receiving your commendation means a lot to me. I might even go so far as to say that I am honoured to receive praise from a poster with such a reputation as you have...
 
Buddha said:
This sounds to me as if it is deeply patronising and I am tempted to respond in a hateful and abusive manner.

However, in the spirit of goodwill and brotherly love I will instead assume you are genuine and sincere.

Thanks mate, your comment has warmed the cockels of my heart. Receiving your commendation means a lot to me. I might even go so far as to say that I am honoured to receive praise from a poster with such a reputation as you have...
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You are in a funny mood today. If you stop being antagonistic, you won't get yourself upset if people fire back.

Just an observation, I'm not looking for a response. Just re-read your posts and think about how they might come across to others
 
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