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And if not, why do you always imply that such things are intrinsically liked to Islam?

Of course I know that the grooming gangs and terrorist organisations are linked to Islam. But they do not represent Islam. They are a perversion of Islam.
Ok WayneKerr!

We've been through this before. Distinct terrorist organisations in Nigeria, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan have got Islam wrong, and you, a new age traveller in England have got it right.

I need to get on and do some cases.
 
Ok WayneKerr!

We've been through this before. Distinct terrorist organisations in Nigeria, Somalia, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan have got Islam wrong, and you, a new age traveller in England have got it right.

I need to get on and do some cases.

Wayne was spot on about this.

It's not about me having it right. Ask your Muslim colleagues and friends. Do you not think their opinions about this might be more valid than yours? Or mine, for that matter!

There are very good reasons why terrorist organisations have emerged in the places you mention.

A terrorist organisation emerged in Ireland for good reason. Doesn't mean that the Irish are predisposed to terrorism or that all Irish people supported the IRA.

It's got more to do with oppression. All the time there is oppression those who fight back will gain some support and attract followers. But if the oppression stops the fascism and the terrorism can't grow. The overwhelming majority of people just want peace.
 
Wayne was spot on about this.

It's not about me having it right. Ask your Muslim colleagues and friends. Do you not think their opinions about this might be more valid than yours? Or mine, for that matter!

There are very good reasons why terrorist organisations have emerged in the places you mention.

A terrorist organisation emerged in Ireland for good reason. Doesn't mean that the Irish are predisposed to terrorism or that all Irish people supported the IRA.

It's got more to do with oppression. All the time there is oppression those who fight back will gain some support and attract followers. But if the oppression stops the fascism and the terrorism can't grow. The overwhelming majority of people just want peace.

You keep going on about muslims, not all are the same etc and everybody gets that.
3x6 has stated earlier in this thread that he sees the problem as being within islam itself , which is pretty much my view.
What you describe as Islamophobia is obviously increasing , as people fear for the way their country is heading. Your position seems to be that nobody need have concerns and it's all just a misunderstanding !
Comparing other (genuinely peaceful) religions is simply deflection.
We do not see Jews , Hindus , Sikhs or Buddhists terrorizing Europe or raping in gangs. As I mentioned before , we only need to look at France to see what the future holds , and its certainly not racist to share worries.
 
.............We do not see Jews , Hindus , Sikhs or Buddhists terrorizing Europe or raping in gangs. As I mentioned before , we only need to look at France to see what the future holds , and its certainly not racist to share worries.

I think you are over-simplfying things ... Israeli settlers/Zionists terrorize Palestinians on a daily basis; Buddhists in Myanmar have been terrorizing muslims (eg the Rohingyas) & forgetting religious sub-cultures / gangs etc, what about the innumerous cases of abuse / rape by fathers, friends of the family (of all nationalities & religions) celebrities, pop& rock stars, politicians, the rich & privileged in general - whose victims probably far outnumber those who have suffered at the hands of gangs in the UK..... & lest we forget, all the countless victims carried out by soldiers during wars and the like.
(Also, I don't know why you keep banging on about France ... as if it's the only country with any problems!)
 
A terrorist organisation emerged in Ireland for good reason. Doesn't mean that the Irish are predisposed to terrorism or that all Irish people supported the IRA.
You're using the IRA as an example to demonstrate how terrorism isn't linked to religion.

I don't know whether you are on a wind up or not.

It is you that has turned ANOTHER thread down this path
 
I think you are over-simplfying things ... Israeli settlers/Zionists terrorize Palestinians on a daily basis; Buddhists in Myanmar have been terrorizing muslims (eg the Rohingyas) & forgetting religious sub-cultures / gangs etc, what about the innumerous cases of abuse / rape by fathers, friends of the family (of all nationalities & religions) celebrities, pop& rock stars, politicians, the rich & privileged in general - whose victims probably far outnumber those who have suffered at the hands of gangs in the UK..... & lest we forget, all the countless victims carried out by soldiers during wars and the like.
(Also, I don't know why you keep banging on about France ... as if it's the only country with any problems!)

That's the "other religions do it too"'argument.

I can't disagree with much of it. I think the issue is that life for women, gays, non-believers etc is worse in other countries, and as people from those countries are moving to here it is getting worse (and will get worse). Maybe it won't though? We can't really know what will happen.
 
The danger in the future will be political islam , as numbers increase moderate muslims will not be able to stop the fundamental stuff taking over.
The Catholics of Belfast might not have all supported the IRA , but they wouldn't be daft enough to disagree with them.
 
This has taken a turn. Last time I looked at this thread it was about vegans. At least they're not violent, well, apart from that time Spock gave Khan a rather nasty death grip!




Oh, that's Vulcans 🙄

well there’s our second generation nuclear strike aircraft named -the BAC Vegan. It’ll run on sunflower oil and carry hypersonic missiles armed with payloads of rotting vegetables, with possibly the odd egg or crustacean slipped in.
 
I'm assuming you're talking to me.

But if you think my politics are totalitarian you clearly don't understand anarchism.

You talk as if I am a socialist or communist. But I'm not! I agree with you that both the extreme left and the extreme right are forms of totalitarianism.

Your opinion is that social democracy is the least worst form of government (I'd probably agree with that actually) but I am opposed to all forms of government. Forget the least worst form of government, we can do better than that; NO GOVERNMENT AT ALL. That'd be best!

I believe that true freedom for all can only be achieved by removing the state and all other forms of hierarchy and control. Only when society is organised along horizontal lines rather than hierarchical ones, and built upon mutual aid and co-operation (rather than competition and exploitation), will there be real freedom and equality for all.

Call me a dreamer or a utopian or tell me that humanity is too flawed for it to ever work. But don't call me a totalitarian. That's not true or fair.

You probably have many criticisms of socialism/communism that I'd agree with.

'58 said above that without Left policies the freedom is meaningless because although all have the freedom to dine at the Ritz, only a few can afford that freedom. This is exactly what Bakunin was referring to when he said that, "freedom without socialism leads to privilege and injustice".

But communism and socialism are all about the power of the state. For full socialism/communism the state must have total control and personal freedoms are severely restricted or simply removed. And this is what Bakunin meant in the second part of the quote. "Socialism without freedom leads to brutality and slavery". I'm sure we can all think of communist states past and present that have proved that to be correct.

Incidentally, during the period of social revolution in Barcelona - when there was no government, no money and things were organised according to anarchist principles, the Ritz was turned into a public canteen where everybody could eat and drink for free.

No I didn't say that I said your system would end in Totalitarianism. As you ignore the basic fact that not all people are good and some can convince others to do things they shouldn't based on their personality alone.

A bigger example of that you could not find at the current time in the form of Trump.

Communalism as I would describe it will just put the world back to the medieval ages. There would be no COVID vaccine under your system.
 
"People who enjoy a plant-based diet like vegetarians and vegans or take fish as their only source of meat like pescatarians are considerably less likely to contract severe Covid-19, a new study has found.

According to the findings published in The BMJ Nutrition, Prevention and Health, which examined data from healthcare workers across six countries including the UK, vegetarians are 73 per cent less likely to be hit by coronavirus while self-declared pescatarians were 59 per cent less likely to become ill than those who eat red and white meat....."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-diet-vegan-vegetarian-meat-b1861525.html
 
"People who enjoy a plant-based diet like vegetarians and vegans or take fish as their only source of meat like pescatarians are considerably less likely to contract severe Covid-19, a new study has found.

According to the findings published in The BMJ Nutrition, Prevention and Health, which examined data from healthcare workers across six countries including the UK, vegetarians are 73 per cent less likely to be hit by coronavirus while self-declared pescatarians were 59 per cent less likely to become ill than those who eat red and white meat....."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-diet-vegan-vegetarian-meat-b1861525.html

More covid conspiracy theories... ;)
 
No I didn't say that I said your system would end in Totalitarianism. As you ignore the basic fact that not all people are good and some can convince others to do things they shouldn't based on their personality alone.

A bigger example of that you could not find at the current time in the form of Trump.

Communalism as I would describe it will just put the world back to the medieval ages. There would be no COVID vaccine under your system.

It needn't necessarily be so. There is no reason why it should have to be so? We would still have all the knowledge, we'd still have all the technology. I'm not suggesting that we return to pre-history.

Mind you, it does seem that human beings lived on this planet for many thousands of years without causing devastation and destruction. And then comes along Imperialism, Empire and Capitalism. Didn't take too long to fuck things right up...

https://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/study-amazon-tribes-lived-sustainably-5000-years/
 
You're using the IRA as an example to demonstrate how terrorism isn't linked to religion.

I don't know whether you are on a wind up or not.

It is you that has turned ANOTHER thread down this path

No, I wasn't using the IRA as an example to demonstrate how terrorism isn't linked to religion.

I was using it as an example of how terrorism can grow and gain support when a people face sustained oppression.
 
You give yourself away by saying, "some people are born with talent". I expect you also think that people who are poor are so because they lack talent or because they are lazy? Or that those who are rich have prospered simply because they are talented and/or industrious?

I believe that everybody is talented. Just at different things. You are right though, that some are born with exceptional talent. Problem is that many are never discovered or have the opportunity to make the most of their exceptional talent purely because of their circumstance. The 'American Dream' is a bullshit lie. It's not what you can do or what you know that is the most important thing, rather it's where you come from and who you know which is key to success for most.

I also know very well that many people who are anything but lazy find themselves in poverty and suffer as a result. And similarly, many who are rich are so because of privilege and circumstance, not because they are somehow more deserving.
"Give myself away"???
By what leap do you assume that I:
"think that people who are poor are so because they lack talent or because they are lazy"
Yet more lefty mis-stereotyping !

People are more complicated than that.

Let's get "lazy" out of the way.
Yes, a minority of people are lazy. Do you disagree?
(My wife sometimes says I'm lazy :cry:)

Next, define "poor".

But whatever,.... the main reason many people struggle is because they have to pay too much:
- for housing (wonder why....?)

- inflated prices for many goods and services - protected by Patents, Trademarks, monopolies, tariffs regualtions.
(Did you not read my remarks on how some people get rich unjustifiably ?)

- for Government (that is populated by people forever "empire building" rather than focusing help on the most needy)

"many who are rich...etc" (Define "rich")

Oh dear, the usual envy.
Actually I would agree that there are some non-deserving "rich" - but not as many as you seem to think...
...and maybe not the same people.

(Me ? I don't have much time for wealthy celebrities.)
 
It needn't necessarily be so. There is no reason why it should have to be so? We would still have all the knowledge, we'd still have all the technology. I'm not suggesting that we return to pre-history.

Mind you, it does seem that human beings lived on this planet for many thousands of years without causing devastation and destruction. And then comes along Imperialism, Empire and Capitalism. Didn't take too long to fuck things right up...

https://www.thestkittsnevisobserver.com/study-amazon-tribes-lived-sustainably-5000-years/

Yes they also ran around killing each other on a far bigger scale than they do today.

Human rights weren't exactly a big item on the agenda.