I spent years , with thousands of others , defending people like you against the Warsaw Pact , so yes I do know about communism.
I've crossed the border in Berlin and seen communism with my own eyes.
Yep , if Boris can get given a shirt , why not DT C'mon you Gills
I`d (even) say well done to AK, because tbh, without his initial actions, we`d have melted and faded away on that other dying forum "yonks" ago. Is that a good old Kentish word btw?
This piqued my interest so I had a quick search.
Definitely a word I've know of for yonks! Is there any reason to believe it is an old Kentish (in particular) word?
Money pays for advertising places like the control of social media platforms like Facebook.I thought this had been investigated and Trump was cleared ?
Could you explain how Russian backing could affect the voting choices of 70 odd million people ?
Don't forget that the violence in the summer (remember Charlottesville ?) was from both sides, with there being evidence, more than once, that far right/white supremacists were instigating some of the property damage and looting. IIRC, the Boogaloo boys were involved and there were some arrested. As for "Americas struggle to resist communism"? Give over, that is a load of nonsense. Biden and Trump (and the parties they head) are both capatilists. Sure, Biden and the democrats may have some socialist leanings with regard to welfare, for example, but communists? Get a grip, ffs. What happened on wednesday was a group of people had been so wound up by the Trumps, Giulliani and their colleagues that they had been robbed of a fair election, they lost the plot and 5 people died. Now, lets get real, Trump had no evidence of fraud. He just hated losing and didn't like that the people didn't want him. So, he created a fairy story to make it look like he was cheated. As I said, he is a narcissist with no empathy for anybody but himself. He doesn't care that people died, he doesn't care that there will probably be more deaths, he doesn't care about the USA and he certainly doesn't care about democracy. He cares for one thing, and one thing only, Donald Trump.Any murder , of anyone , is unacceptable.
The 'rioters/domestic terrorists/white supremacist ' narrative that we are hearing and the internet tech giants taking down conservative/right wing voices should be a worry to us all.
There was a very big crowd , who demonstrated peacefully , with nothing more than their flags and their pride. 70 odd inside , some causing the havoc the press were waiting for.
The MSM and left are milking this for all it's worth, with selective memories for the violence we saw in the summer.
As for the posters on here who have expressed concerns for escalating violence and civil war , I can only agree with you. Trump is only a figurehead , but he represents hope for millions of Patriots.
I can't see America's struggle to resist communism ending without bloodshed.
not to be confused with yanks ...
getting back to the thread .. I've seen a few reports that the police officer who died, at the Capitol, was an "extreme right" Trump supporter who tasered himself in the nuts & died of a heart attack ..
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I appreciate why you make that point Lancs but I think it's misguided. I rang my 85 year old sister this evening and she agreed wholeheartedly with Biden's comments. She's a lifelong conservative member, sttruggled to say anything against Trump for a long time and generally supports authority without question. "It has to be said" were her words, I was very surprised.
It wasn't that the brave police officers would have tried harder it is that the army would have been deployed well in advance had anyone else had a anti Trump demo.Jogills, my point was in retort to Chris`s comment : ".As Biden said had it been Black Americans walking in to the house they would have been faced with a far greater force and I am totally sure none would have gained entry not even armed with machine guns".
The comment by Mr Biden, and echoed by many news media prior to the report of the killed officer, was effectively implying that police officers would have tried harder to prevent black people from entering the Capitol. As ridiculous as that is, that`s how police would read his comment - and that`s how some of the LE people I am acquainted with in the US inferred Mr B`s words. Well, I don`t know what additional effort and extra commitment Officer Brian Sicknick, RIP, could have made. My point was not about Trump - he`s a twat. Because of the behaviour of a minority of bad cops, LE in the US is under far greater siege than we saw at the Capitol Building !
It`s interesting to read comments from all and sundry about how armed police failed to stop the mob. All i`d say, bearing in mind that no two situations are ever the same, unless the officers (who are overwhelmingly ordinary people) feel it is right to literally start shooting everyone (which they wouldn`t - ask Nobby) , it`s very very difficult to stand there outnumbered and effectively stop an advancing crowd - especially when the zone is spread and non-uniform. I`ve been in that sort of situation (and injured) and when people are in sufficient numbers and determined to break through, they often will do just that (ask Buddha ). In the UK we might not be the same as the U.S. (where i`ve also worked with metropolitan LE) but there are lots of similarities.
Police here police by consent - policing is going through a big change. Frankly, I don`t know why anyone would want to join the Service these days (of course, I respect those that do) as the public don`t seem to be decided on what sort of police service they want. I`m afraid to say that the direction we are headed is the French style of policing where public order and similar matters are the primary domain of separate heavily armed riot forces . Once we get there, there will be no turning back.
Sorry for the novel, I feel strongly about this.
It wasn't that the brave police officers would have tried harder it is that the army would have been deployed well in advance had anyone else had a anti Trump demo.
Jogills, my point was in retort to Chris`s comment : ".As Biden said had it been Black Americans walking in to the house they would have been faced with a far greater force and I am totally sure none would have gained entry not even armed with machine guns".
The comment by Mr Biden, and echoed by many news media prior to the report of the killed officer, was effectively implying that police officers would have tried harder to prevent black people from entering the Capitol. As ridiculous as that is, that`s how police would read his comment - and that`s how some of the LE people I am acquainted with in the US inferred Mr B`s words. Well, I don`t know what additional effort and extra commitment Officer Brian Sicknick, RIP, could have made. My point was not about Trump - he`s a twat. Because of the behaviour of a minority of bad cops, LE in the US is under far greater siege than we saw at the Capitol Building !
It`s interesting to read comments from all and sundry about how armed police failed to stop the mob. All i`d say, bearing in mind that no two situations are ever the same, unless the officers (who are overwhelmingly ordinary people) feel it is right to literally start shooting everyone (which they wouldn`t - ask Nobby) , it`s very very difficult to stand there outnumbered and effectively stop an advancing crowd - especially when the zone is spread and non-uniform. I`ve been in that sort of situation (and injured) and when people are in sufficient numbers and determined to break through, they often will do just that (ask Buddha ). In the UK we might not be the same as the U.S. (where i`ve also worked with metropolitan LE) but there are lots of similarities.
Police here police by consent - policing is going through a big change. Frankly, I don`t know why anyone would want to join the Service these days (of course, I respect those that do) as the public don`t seem to be decided on what sort of police service they want. I`m afraid to say that the direction we are headed is the French style of policing where public order and similar matters are the primary domain of separate heavily armed riot forces . Once we get there, there will be no turning back.
Sorry for the novel, I feel strongly about this.
The problem was twofold. Firstly there is a stark comparison between the pictures of the Capitol when there was an entirely peaceful BLM protest when the National Guard was deployed and heavily armed military stood on the steps of the Capitol, and the lack of any National Guard presence when an attempt at disrupting proceedings had been widely trailed on social media.Jogills, my point was in retort to Chris`s comment : ".As Biden said had it been Black Americans walking in to the house they would have been faced with a far greater force and I am totally sure none would have gained entry not even armed with machine guns".
The comment by Mr Biden, and echoed by many news media prior to the report of the killed officer, was effectively implying that police officers would have tried harder to prevent black people from entering the Capitol. As ridiculous as that is, that`s how police would read his comment - and that`s how some of the LE people I am acquainted with in the US inferred Mr B`s words. Well, I don`t know what additional effort and extra commitment Officer Brian Sicknick, RIP, could have made. My point was not about Trump - he`s a twat. Because of the behaviour of a minority of bad cops, LE in the US is under far greater siege than we saw at the Capitol Building !
It`s interesting to read comments from all and sundry about how armed police failed to stop the mob. All i`d say, bearing in mind that no two situations are ever the same, unless the officers (who are overwhelmingly ordinary people) feel it is right to literally start shooting everyone (which they wouldn`t - ask Nobby) , it`s very very difficult to stand there outnumbered and effectively stop an advancing crowd - especially when the zone is spread and non-uniform. I`ve been in that sort of situation (and injured) and when people are in sufficient numbers and determined to break through, they often will do just that (ask Buddha ). In the UK we might not be the same as the U.S. (where i`ve also worked with metropolitan LE) but there are lots of similarities.
Police here police by consent - policing is going through a big change. Frankly, I don`t know why anyone would want to join the Service these days (of course, I respect those that do) as the public don`t seem to be decided on what sort of police service they want. I`m afraid to say that the direction we are headed is the French style of policing where public order and similar matters are the primary domain of separate heavily armed riot forces . Once we get there, there will be no turning back.
Sorry for the novel, I feel strongly about this.
Good post, Lancs.
I certainly do know about how when people are in sufficient numbers and determined to braek through they will do just that. But that can only happen when the police are outnumbered and/or not "tooled up".
I've witnessed the crowd break through the police lines before during violent protests before but not when there are sufficient numbers of riot cops holding the line or protecting a building.
Actually one of the best feelings I ever experienced was when (this time at a peaceful protest) the unarmed thin police line broke and thousands of us surged onto the M41 for a Reclaim The Streets party-protest. There was no violence whatsoever, but we outnumbered the police by so many that they could never ever have stopped us. It was quite an amazing feeling. You watch it here from 3:23 on the video!!:
I completely understand and agree with what you say about officers not wanting to "literally start shooting everyone" (certainly not white patriotic people, no, these kind of demonstators are the ones to take selfies with and hold doors open for people!) and I think it is absolutely crystal clear that the police were totally outnumbered and overwhelmed.
But the question is why? This was known about for ages, it had been being hyped up by the right on the internet for the last coupe of weeks, there were even people at the demonstration wearing t-shirts proclaiming, "Civil War, 6th January 2021"!:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErFERZtVEAEDyqQ?format=jpg&name=small
Why weren't the police properly prepared? We all know they would have been if it had been the other side having a protest that close to the Capitol.
With regard to your final paragrpah, I share your fears about the style of policing that's likely to be happening here in the not-too-distant future.
The problem was twofold. Firstly there is a stark comparison between the pictures of the Capitol when there was an entirely peaceful BLM protest when the National Guard was deployed and heavily armed military stood on the steps of the Capitol, and the lack of any National Guard presence when an attempt at disrupting proceedings had been widely trailed on social media.
Secondly there is the degree to which some members of the Capitol Police appeared to be complicit. There were pictures of the police pulling barriers aside to let people through. That was clearly not the majority of the Police, many of whom bravely tried to defend the building whilst being hopelessly outnumbered.
The only conclusion that you could draw is that there was a deal of complicity with the protestors from the very top. The Head of the Capitol Police who has since resigned was a Trump appointee.
Getting rid of Trump through impeachment or whatever might be the only way of preventing a repeat attempt at the Inauguration.