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The Politics Thread

Pangloss said:
Big strikes about to kick off, government no where to be seen, haven’t bothered getting round the table with the unions. Make no mistake, they want this.
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I don’t know the ins and outs of it, but I suspect the government want to use the situation to turn the public against the RMT for their own PR gain, as much as the RMT are probably not wholly justified in their actions
 
danvilla2 said:
I don’t know the ins and outs of it, but I suspect the government want to use the situation to turn the public against the RMT for their own PR gain, as much as the RMT are probably not wholly justified in their actions
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Yes I think Labours point is right. The Govt just want to cause and feed off the division.
 
danvilla2 said:
I don’t know the ins and outs of it, but I suspect the government want to use the situation to turn the public against the RMT for their own PR gain, as much as the RMT are probably not wholly justified in their actions
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"We want our union to be less bureaucratic and more democratic, and to reach and involve the four-fifths of members who did not vote in the recent General Secretary election"
The above was from the General Secretary's blog at the 2021 election of officers. Does anyone know what the turnout and voting to back this strike was.
Government will use it, but the RMT have been spoiling for a fight for a long while now.
 
wittonite said:
"We want our union to be less bureaucratic and more democratic, and to reach and involve the four-fifths of members who did not vote in the recent General Secretary election"
The above was from the General Secretary's blog at the 2021 election of officers. Does anyone know what the turnout and voting to back this strike was.
Government will use it, but the RMT have been spoiling for a fight for a long while now.
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On the radio today they said it was a 71% turnout and 92% in favour.
 
danvilla2 said:
I don’t know the ins and outs of it, but I suspect the government want to use the situation to turn the public against the RMT for their own PR gain, as much as the RMT are probably not wholly justified in their actions
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Boris is definitely trying to make it his Maggie moment (with added distraction in the newsfeeds), but the RMT are off the scale with their own bullshit when it comes to modernisation and current technology. They are a dying Union basically making their last stand at the expense of everyone else with no acknowledgement that times have changed, and what they call a Gov cut is actually just lower passenger profit and the Gov have never said close every ticket office, but with 1/2 out of ten tickets now being brought in person, do you need more rural ticket offices when you can ensure a ticket office exists at a destination hub and people pay before exiting?

I don't say it often, and I'm loathed to here because it's obvious why the cock womble has made this a new issue (given Shapps was so well prepared, the groundwork here from the Gov has gone on for a long time), but it's a Union being a Union - keep paying workers who aren't needed and pay them more so they keep paying their subs so as Union leader I'm minted.

And if you don't, even though most of our workers are paid more than nurses at entry level, we'll hold the country to ransom because I've got a tiny cock but I like looking hard in the media.
 
It's possible there will be a wave of strikes to come, the teachers and NHS staff are looking to ballot.

Money flows up, shit rolls down, it's ok for bosses to get big pay rises and bonuses where in many circumstances they do not deliver, but it's not ok for normal people who do important jobs.

There's something rotten to the core about this country.
 
Yes, profits for companies aren't suffering, but people at the bottom are. I know socialism can never work, because human nature doesn't allow it, but something needs to change.

Those at the top always come out better off.
 
I didn't realise that the majority of train drivers aren't in the RMT which from my perspective puts a slightly different slant on things.
 
Pangloss said:
Passing the buck is the ultimate feature of this government.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1539139744587726848

They're literally like every senior manager I've worked with during my time in the financial services!
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When I was at the Pru we had a Divisional sales manager appointed from Rank Xerox, who on his maiden speech to the companies assembled sales force said his sales guys at Rank could sell 20/30 copiers a day, and couldn't understand why we couldn't sell thirty pensions a day.
All credibility and the sales force lost in one sentence.
 
Everybody wants a pay rise to help with rising prices. The problem is that pay rises will lead to even further price increases fuelling inflation. This will very quickly erode any gains made from the pay rises people get. Add to this the only tool in the BOEs tool box to fight inflation is to raise interest rates which means the cost of everything goes up even more. Mortgages will go up again as will borrowing.
The danger then is that the strikes which will cost the workers money in lost wages will ultimately leave people even worse off than what they were before.
 
We've had 12 or so years of artificially low rates and QE, this has allowed an unprecedented transfer of wealth to the top largely in the form of significant asset price inflation. No one else really gained from it. Now rate rises will disproportionately hit those worse off.

BoE have little credibility these days and I'm convinced the policies we will see going forward will be largely botched policies.

We're in a pretty fucked up place.
 
Pangloss said:
We've had 12 or so years of artificially low rates and QE, this has allowed an unprecedented transfer of wealth to the top largely in the form of significant asset price inflation. No one else really gained from it. Now rate rises will disproportionately hit those worse off.

BoE have little credibility these days and I'm convinced the policies we will see going forward will be largely botched policies.

We're in a pretty fucked up place.
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And those artificially low rates have encouraged people to borrow more than they could afford, pushing up house prices and making saving a complete waste of time.
A few chickens are going to come home to roost.
 
sirdennis said:
I didn't realise that the majority of train drivers aren't in the RMT which from my perspective puts a slightly different slant on things.
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Yes, it's the other workers union they only get an average of 31k so I hear this morning that if you include drivers it's an average of 46k.

I don't believe a word though as I was on 500 quid a week in the 70's according to the Brum Mail .

Anyway, I won't be using a train any time soon along with the 90% who rarely use one.
 
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