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Promotion or Tories Out?

Calvin Plummer said:
You're aware that the Tories have proposed changing the living wage to 10.50 and lowering the age from 25 to 21?
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yes. i was just emphasizing the point really about his stupidity suggesting 15 quid for mcdonalds workers. it was only last year he was telling them to fight to get 10 pound an hour last year now all of a sudden its 15 quid. he is just trying to copy the fight for 15 movement in america.
 
I hope you noted what Caroline flint (Labour) said re EU being to blame for the expansion of zero hours contract as employers hands are tied by EU directive. Put the blame in the correct quadrant.
 
Polly 433 said:
I hope you noted what Caroline flint (Labour) said re EU being to blame for the expansion of zero hours contract as employers hands are tied by EU directive. Put the blame in the correct quadrant.
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That will be the failed ex housing minister who doesnt have the balls to tell her constituents what johnsons hard brexit will do to them, much easier to share their anger from the cushy protection of being an MP.
 
What is remarkable about this election is how many people are not voting for someone but voting against someone.

Johnson has set it up to be one of the most negative elections of all time, in which people are defined by what it who they hate rather than any positive view of the country.

Reading just two pages of this thread and you can already see it- people voting for the most despicable and unfit prime minister in modern history, primarily because they like the other guy even less.

I am no better. A lifelong Labour member, I have no love for Corbyn. The singling out of Abbott is more odd. I think very often it has racial and mysogenistic overtones, but at the same time her 'champion of the oppreassed' schtick goes too far and makes her unsuitable for the front bench, where you have to be a champion of everyone (which she completely fails at).

I will vote Labour because my local MP is fantastic and because a vote for anything else puts Johnson into power for five years. I suspect one term will be enough for him; I always got the impression he wants to have been prime minister than actually be PM (which no doubt is a bothersome amount of work) but I truly fear the damage to our country that could be done by him and the likes of Patel, Raab and Williamson. The centrists of the Tory party have completely torn this country apart- the devil only knows what the hard right nutters will do

I can't really talk about my allegiences at work and not would I in an election situation, but I will certainly be doing my bit to ensure young people get out and vote as their voices have been totally ignored for far too long
 
Pope John XXIII said:
What is remarkable about this election is how many people are not voting for someone but voting against someone.

Johnson has set it up to be one of the most negative elections of all time, in which people are defined by what it who they hate rather than any positive view of the country.

Reading just two pages of this thread and you can already see it- people voting for the most despicable and unfit prime minister in modern history, primarily because they like the other guy even less.

I am no better. A lifelong Labour member, I have no love for Corbyn. The singling out of Abbott is more odd. I think very often it has racial and mysogenistic overtones, but at the same time her 'champion of the oppreassed' schtick goes too far and makes her unsuitable for the front bench, where you have to be a champion of everyone (which she completely fails at).

I will vote Labour because my local MP is fantastic and because a vote for anything else puts Johnson into power for five years. I suspect one term will be enough for him; I always got the impression he wants to have been prime minister than actually be PM (which no doubt is a bothersome amount of work) but I truly fear the damage to our country that could be done by him and the likes of Patel, Raab and Williamson. The centrists of the Tory party have completely torn this country apart- the devil only knows what the hard right nutters will do

I can't really talk about my allegiences at work and not would I in an election situation, but I will certainly be doing my bit to ensure young people get out and vote as their voices have been totally ignored for far too long
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Centrists like Blair caused this situation. There is no place on the front bench for a champion of the oppressed? (we are a socialist party) This is the kind of "all lives matter" blindness that has led to massive inequality and years of tory austerity. It allows Tories a shield to hide behind while they fuck up the lives of the working class.

Centrist policies that help the middle class (slightly) and the rich and giant corporations (greatly) help create an underclass of Morlocks (who will vote for Boris, hoping to empower Nige)

Leave out the piss poor analysis and just say "Im alright jack!" and vote Lib Dem and then feign surprise when you discover you voted tory light.
 
InvincibleBrianMan said:
Centrists like Blair caused this situation. There is no place on the front bench for a champion of the oppressed? (we are a socialist party) This is the kind of "all lives matter" blindness that has led to massive inequality and years of tory austerity. It allows Tories a shield to hide behind while they fuck up the lives of the working class.

Centrist policies that help the middle class (slightly) and the rich and giant corporations (greatly) help create an underclass of Morlocks (who will vote for Boris, hoping to empower Nige)

Leave out the piss poor analysis and just say "Im alright jack!" and vote Lib Dem and then feign surprise when you discover you voted tory light.
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We are currently obsessed with the politicks pf personality and Pope is quite right in that this election is being fought on the politicks of personality and that is how it is being framed by the Tories and the Media


If we were given a blind vote based on policies and nobody knew which party was behind the policies I would think that most would vote for Labour and the Greens IMHO

100% I can guarantee this if Depiffell waffell wiffle Johnson doesn't chicken out of the live debate, which he will as Corbyn is a far smarter and a better orator than him, Depiffel will attack JC on his personality, bullshit about anti semitism and terrorist sympathies he will talk over JC

JC will just talk about policies
 
WatnallRed said:
Corbyn had an expensive education which included a private prep and grammar school, an anathema no doubt to you - I think I'd call that privileged.

He finished college with 2 E's at A' level, nothing wrong with that perhaps but no doubt his parents were somewhat disappointed at throwing so much cash down the karzi to little effect.

Racist? Kettle, black - Ever heard of the rise of anti-Semitism which St. Jezza has presided over in the Labour party? His support of an openly anti-Semitic mural which he failed to "look" at properly? Or attending a memorial event for one of the organisers of the 1974 Munich massacre where he laid a wreath but didn't "participate"? Or where he wrote a forward to a new edition of a deeply anti-Semitic 19th century book which he didn't "read"? That's just for starters - Do me a favour, I think I know which one of Johnson and Corbyn is the racist.
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Wow
 
da fuq said:
This is literally how easy it is to brainwash someone. I kind of feel sorry for WatnallRed its like he has done daily mail bingo or he is the love child of Rupert Murdoch
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Because someone is the love child of Rupert Murdoch doesn’t mean that he is incorrect.
 
Polly 433 said:
Because someone is the love child of Rupert Murdoch doesn’t mean that he is incorrect.
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To be fair

2 of Murdochs sons have taken over parts of his empire and are not racist biggoted right wing arseholes

The change has already started at happening at Fox news in America in the last few weeks they have started attacking Trump


Anyway

Fuck Depiffel wiffel waffle Johnson and Trump...both in the pocket of Putin along side Farage, Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks and most of the other leave extremists
 
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