Nuno Espirito Santo
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It’s a good question, and as we are now serious business being the Prem, we need to start acting like a serious business
Recruitment till now - I get the frenzied approach. But now we need joined up thinking, with recruitment, scouts, Wilson, cooper and EM around the table several times a year
We need a CF, winger and possibly a goalie in Jan.
We need 7/8 players out the door
We need another 7/8 out the door in the summer
We need a business discussion around recruitment of 4/5 max players this summer with the final say belonging to the manager
Everyone needs to be aligned. We have several loans of which 2/3 should be sent back in 2 weeks
We have many out of contract players this summer, and at least 3-4 who will be sold.
We will free up millions in wages in the next 6 months. BUT, survival in this weakest of premier leagues will not paper over the cracks
Those 4/5 players this summer need an 80% hit rate. And if cooper is still manager, he needs to show he can form these players into a mid table/top half team in the first quarter of next season
FeNris
Vital Squad Member
No, exactly that.
FeNris
Vital Squad Member
Preparing for Chrimbo dinner at Big Sam's no doubt.
Also, if any of you watch Forest Focus, and previously the garibaldi red podcast with Matt Davies, I have to say Lewis McGugan is a brilliant analyst, insightful, logical and well worth listening too
Quite the opposite of that thick twat Birtles who’s an abject disaster and a complete yawn
Quite the opposite of that thick twat Birtles who’s an abject disaster and a complete yawn
Will.NFFC
Vital Football Hero
I happen to agree with all of this, but I also think Coopers own worst enemy this season has been Cooper. His championship Forest played with absolute swagger and belief and you could tell it stemmed from the belief of the manager…
whilst I absolutely understand the challenge is far harder in this league and you cannot simply replicate that level of forward playing football immediately, the manager appears to have lost his own identity and I worry that he’s a little unsure as to how to get it back without creating problems elsewhere.
You can feel it in the press conferences - he’s gone from talking so confidently about his teams ability to go and win games to ‘hoping we do all we can to try and get a positive result’. I know it’s only media and it’s not a tell all, but I do think his attitude is reflected in the way the team play - hesitantly and imbalanced.
It’s easy to blame a lack of forward and other teams being more established, but 1 win in 14 after another huge net spend and dropping big money signings is a step back… there’s no denying, and whether we like it or not, Cooper has to figure out a way to get us playing well and winning again. There’s simply no excuse for Bournemouth, Fulham, Wolves, Everton and soon maybe even Luton, being comfortably ahead of us.
Wolves and Bournemouth have new managers and in wolves’ case have lost players as well as changed their playing squads - how has Gary O’Neil created an identity and we haven’t? Why do Bournemouth suddenly play with swagger and beat teams in a way we never have? I love cooper but we simply cannot overlook them and seek to blame everything on anything but him. He’s the manager and if he takes credit for the glory, he takes responsibility for the slump. I don’t want him gone, particularly if the solution is Nuno, but he’s got to get back to believing in himself a bit more and that starts by dropping the likes of Kouyate and getting the best out of a champions league midfielder in Sangare and a very talented Dominguez.
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100% agree with all of this. Cooper has to coach this team and these players far better than he’s doing right now
But I want to keep the faith particularly if the alternative is Nuno
THE cockroach of professional football
Niakhate is alright.
To me it seems so obvious, but it seems so few people can see it.
InvincibleBrianMan
Vital 1st Team Regular
this sounds a lot like the stuff you were saying about cooper when we were about to sign/ had just signed him as i remember? Nuno has been more successful (by a big step) than Cooper?
There is a lot to argue for a well marshalled defence rather than a passing, attacking team at the moment.
Given the fit squad we have to work with at present i think we would be better off with Nuno to be honest. If i were the owner i would stick with Coops ( but i’m not) i think given time coops saves us again given time.
I don’t think he will be given time though and i think the club is unstable and i think the change is going to happen.
If Cooper goes ( and i think he will) then we need someone who will batten down the hatches and galvanize the troops. Nuno is not a bad choice in the circumstances?
Old Red Fart
Vital Champions League
I've never been clear on who is responsible for the signing of new players, if it's Coops then he needs to go, if not he stays and the problem needs fixing.
InvincibleBrianMan
Vital 1st Team Regular
The problem needs fixing regardless of whether he goes or stays though? Cooper’s superpower has been the ability to forge a team that believes in its self but… he is not seeming to do that this year?
I’m still confident he will save us again given time but i am equally as confident that he will not be given time.
Catch 22?
Nuno's success at Wolves was based around the security of playing 3 centre backs and 2 holding midfielders.However ,similar to Cooper, when he tried to be more expansive he didn't get the same results.Therefore it is difficult to say whether this would actually improve anything and be down to luck on how the players would respond to him. He is not a bad manager but is he going to improve matters? Personally I am more worried about our lack of depth upfront and a number of players going to AFCON than the manager.
Nuno would do fine with a new striker. So would Cooper.
They will both get relegated without one.
That is the issue.
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CornishForest
Vital Reserves Team
Agreed.
It’s our recruitment over the last 2 seasons that will relegate us. The problems of last season have bled into this.
InvincibleBrianMan
Vital 1st Team Regular
i think the difference is cooper will not be given time whereas as a new manager Nuno would have enough time to turn it around.
i think you are correct that either would have to play 3 at the back and 2 holding mid players to turn it around.
i think it’s down to the owners Son if i’m not wrong ?
I used to be an illustrator when i finished art school and before i went back to uni and got a proper career… you may or may not be surprised how many times the business owners Son, Daughter, Nephew, etc. had ‘designed’ a company logo with no flippin idea about design principles or how to balance typography with a pictorial? And i would be asked to use the bloody piece of shit design instead of something that was actually worth looking at!
I get the feeling that Big M’s son has done the equivalent of a logo of Robin Hood shaking hands with Brian Clough as they look over the blueprint of a new era, embellished with an illegible German gothic, all uppercase, font in bright pink.
I recon Coops has the dilemma of having to try to persuade the big man he needs to go to a decent design agency and get a whole new concept for the club and bin the piece of dogshit corporate design his lad told him was worth bloody millions!
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Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
I don't disagree with any of that
Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
It's not so much that other people can't see it, more that its not a problem that's worth going on and on about because we can't really solve it.
It's a bit like me blaming my mortgage for any and all financial restrictions my family may face. "If I could just pay off the mortgage, everything would be alright".
Well, yeah; but being able to just "pay" that off with immediacy is about as easy as it will be to find a striker as good as Awoniyi for an affordable price
