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Major PL/FL Shake Up?

Sky Sports saying Liverpool and Man Utd have threatened a break away league, not sure whether that is now or something that has happened in the past.

At best, they get say the top 6 into a break away league - so what? They play the same team 4 times? How boring is that?

Arsenal finish bottom every year, well that’ll please Le Arse fans. They could invite other European teams, maybe Celtic and Rangers would be a target.

I’d be quite happy in a different look EPL with the best of the rest, assuming Everton, Newcastle, West Ham, Wolves and Leicester etc tell them to stuff it. It would also welcome back to decent sized clubs such as Wednesday or Forest. We’d have to reduce our operating expenses quite severely as revenue would drop, but it would still attract decent TV money and fan revenue wouldn’t be impacted.

It’s actually a huge financial risk for the top teams to break away anyway, so I can’t see it happening for a long time.
 
gator said:
Rick Parry does :clown:
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His position seems very precarious post all this. Bring an ex Liverpool employee, going behind the backs of the EPL along with many other clubs, and failing to deliver any revenue for the clubs he represents actually causing resentment with some, I can’t see how he can stay in the position.

Although grey haired 60 year old chairman are very excited, even though they’ve done nothing to help the top game. Some twat even calling it a cartel that needs regulating! Someone needs to call these chairman out, I sympathise with the genuine ones but the problem isn’t Aston Villa not funding fucking Walsall.
 
Give the EFL a one off COVID bailout, to help them survive. They have no income, I sympathise.

Giving them an ongoing revenue from entertainment they don’t contribute to? All they’ll do is spunk it up the wall, and they’ll spend in proportion with each other so it’s net out to no real gain. It’ll just inflate the wages of players and dividends of owners. The ongoing thing is nothing to do with the fans, all things are equal so Fleetwood town are going to get the same money as Leyton Orient yet still chase the same players just with a bigger cheque book.

You really think these clubs with put money into youth football or clubs, or do more in the community? Will they bollocks.
 
I believe last year's PL income was about £2.6b. 25% of that is £650m. Supposing for the moment that's split between 20 clubs, then it costs each club £32.5m.

Our share last season for 17th position was £101m, so our share goes down to £68.5m. Not far off 1/3 drop. Liverpool's share for top position was £174m, so that goes down to £141.5m. Relatively speaking a big difference. Liverpool aiming to win off the field, not just on it.
 
danvilla2 said:
Give the EFL a one off COVID bailout, to help them survive. They have no income, I sympathise.

Giving them an ongoing revenue from entertainment they don’t contribute to? All they’ll do is spunk it up the wall, and they’ll spend in proportion with each other so it’s net out to no real gain. It’ll just inflate the wages of players and dividends of owners. The ongoing thing is nothing to do with the fans, all things are equal so Fleetwood town are going to get the same money as Leyton Orient yet still chase the same players just with a bigger cheque book.

You really think these clubs with put money into youth football or clubs, or do more in the community? Will they bollocks.
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The problem with the EFL is that so far it has ended up with very poor TV deals. The last was negotiated by one Rick "I'm the saviour of the EFL" Parry. I remember we strongly objected to it.

Money to stave off collapse while Covid lasts is one thing. On-going income from matches they aren't part of is another. The EFL at the moment seems happy with losing parachute payments, loss of which will clobber relegated clubs.
 
danvilla2 said:
Giving them an ongoing revenue from entertainment they don’t contribute to? All they’ll do is spunk it up the wall, and they’ll spend in proportion with each other so it’s net out to no real gain. It’ll just inflate the wages of players and dividends of owners. The ongoing thing is nothing to do with the fans, all things are equal so Fleetwood town are going to get the same money as Leyton Orient yet still chase the same players just with a bigger cheque book.

You really think these clubs with put money into youth football or clubs, or do more in the community? Will they bollocks.
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Absolutely, it is fantasy to think they'll suddenly be profitable or sustainable.

Real sweeping financial rule changes are needed and equality has to be placed at the heart of it. It's a massive challenge because is fair? Same rules for everyone or one based on your club's income. I don't think an ultra profitable club should be punished and not allowed to spend their money but yet having a straight salary cap across the board isn't helpful either.

Some sort of tiered system a little like income taxes might be the compromise. Promotion / Relegation teams need some real flexibility and protections or the gaps will just grow. We need a way to stop the top clubs from reaching escape velocity and giving the bottom teams a chance to catch up over 5 years.

As much as I would be a football socialist and want money cascading down the pyramid, I also don't agree every club needs saving. This is a black swan event, the Government should really be assisting here but I dont think they were wrong to budget the EPL. $1B in transfer fee's is proof a lot of the league could afford a rescue package. They should have offered charity style thing with Financial Fair Play like they do with this.

Give the clubs that donate concessions on FFP for donating to the Lower League Clubs. I am should we would have reap rewards there. You'd shame clubs like United with a stane like that when Villa and Leceister and others willing hand over millions. They'd be compelled to act IMO.
 
TV money has closed the gap in the PL. Many clubs can resist one of the big boys coming for one of our players. Just as Everton, Villa, Leicester etc. can start to compete, the rich boys try and move the goalposts, make top 4 out of reach again. Salary cap is the way forwards by league i.e. PL say £100m, EFL say £30m for the total footballing staff (maybe some wriggle room for home grown players who are English). This would stop "obscene" salaries and stop hoarding of youngsters. It would be a balance between home grown and foreign, experience and youth.
 
"Merd" said:
TV money has closed the gap in the PL. Many clubs can resist one of the big boys coming for one of our players. Just as Everton, Villa, Leicester etc. can start to compete, the rich boys try and move the goalposts, make top 4 out of reach again. Salary cap is the way forwards by league i.e. PL say £100m, EFL say £30m for the total footballing staff (maybe some wriggle room for home grown players who are English). This would stop "obscene" salaries and stop hoarding of youngsters. It would be a balance between home grown and foreign, experience and youth.
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I'd go a step further and say players on-loan at other clubs either count or still contribute 50% toward your salary cap. I'd give some flexibility like "unless there is an obligation to buy in their loan contract". You'd have to do so much to cover up the loopholes though and have a concerted effort to close them. I would allow clubs who terminate contracts under certain conditions the ability to write off the loss.

You'd need a non-biased person within the sport who handles money to understand what rules may or may not be abused. I think they have to abide by EU regulations now so they could start basing or incentivizing clubs who are producing english players. However those sort of rules are why English players are so expensive.
 
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