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Pearced said:
This is indeed testimony to the power of the right wing press. I think you're stuck with the far right leadership for some years to come now.
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I have a completely different view of Europe and EU, too many on here. This may of been shaped by working in Health and Social care and visiting very deprived areas across Europe and elsewhere. Many were districts controlled by far left and far right.
UK’s extreme wings are small in number and their power diminished by our voting system where centre always holds sway. The right, is at present In ascendancy and with the economic downturn likely to arrive across Europe including UK later this year, unemployment and workers rights likely to take a hit.
This will be fertile ground for extremes and tension and the right is positioned to gain votes and power in coalitions. Already several governments have majorities. Not just in places like Hungry and Poland but Likes of Italy and Austria. Sweden far right have over 20% and Frances Marine LePen possibly 50%. Nearly every country in Europe has a larger % far right learners than U.K. This is reflected in the EU with right wing parties holding 28% of MEP’s.

I am confident the success of the Tory party will be short lived and at next election Labour under Starmer will gain a decade of government, provided he holds the middle ground. Failure of other parties to listen to Brexit voters returned Boris, not a desire for Tory policy.

Since the 2008 financial crash I have viewed the EU as increasingly right wing by actions and socialist by words. Protectionist and bullying by actions and totally hypocritical. They pass fine weasel worded documents then fail to police them, allowing governments to steer around laws that others abide by, at their cost.

EU as a trading organisation has many benefits, be it protectionist. Schengen as a concept is excellent. It is the politics and finances that worry me. Since 2008 they have had an opportunity to address these issues but have failed. As a country we did not succeed in correcting direction. Thus better out. To continue was marching to the rights drum. Many on here will disagree but correcting the financial direction of the EU will have dire consequences. Unless of course Putin puts another spin on events.
 
Feco said:
Everything taken into account, it was a no-deal Brexit by the back door.

What is not widely known is that away from the obvious ‘trading’ part of Brexit, much of the remaining parts of the separation where brushed over with ‘framework agreements’.

Deals for the likes of electricity supply and I believe aviation (there are many others) are still to be agreed, we are essentially still operating under the same rules as we were prior to leaving the EU, obviously taking back control only applied to those issues that were politically expedient to Boris and Co before the self imposed deadline.

This is not about remain or leave anymore, that was decided back in 2016.
This was about the Government having a duty to negotiate a deal that benefitted the country.
Unfortunately they spent 4 years trying to maximize the political capital rather than find a solution, and as usual the end result was spin and bluster, with no substance.

I am still of a mind that if it hadn’t been for the borders to Europe being closed in early December, and the chaos that caused at our ports, there would not have been any ‘agreement’ to announce. Boris was forced into a deal when he saw what the full consequences would be. It is also why he gave so much away to our European importing competitors, certainly the playing field wasn’t leveled up as promised.

That’s why we have ‘No Deal Lite’ now with the benefit of continuing uncertainty for very many years to come.

Which ever way you voted in the 2016, you should feel disappointed with the outcome.
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Thats the thing tho, its not even about what happens when people realise that brexit didnt get done, i think the question is have people permanently switched off.
 
Polly 433 said:
I have a completely different view of Europe and EU, too many on here. This may of been shaped by working in Health and Social care and visiting very deprived areas across Europe and elsewhere. Many were districts controlled by far left and far right.
UK’s extreme wings are small in number and their power diminished by our voting system where centre always holds sway. The right, is at present In ascendancy and with the economic downturn likely to arrive across Europe including UK later this year, unemployment and workers rights likely to take a hit.
This will be fertile ground for extremes and tension and the right is positioned to gain votes and power in coalitions. Already several governments have majorities. Not just in places like Hungry and Poland but Likes of Italy and Austria. Sweden far right have over 20% and Frances Marine LePen possibly 50%. Nearly every country in Europe has a larger % far right learners than U.K. This is reflected in the EU with right wing parties holding 28% of MEP’s.

I am confident the success of the Tory party will be short lived and at next election Labour under Starmer will gain a decade of government, provided he holds the middle ground. Failure of other parties to listen to Brexit voters returned Boris, not a desire for Tory policy.

Since the 2008 financial crash I have viewed the EU as increasingly right wing by actions and socialist by words. Protectionist and bullying by actions and totally hypocritical. They pass fine weasel worded documents then fail to police them, allowing governments to steer around laws that others abide by, at their cost.

EU as a trading organisation has many benefits, be it protectionist. Schengen as a concept is excellent. It is the politics and finances that worry me. Since 2008 they have had an opportunity to address these issues but have failed. As a country we did not succeed in correcting direction. Thus better out. To continue was marching to the rights drum. Many on here will disagree but correcting the financial direction of the EU will have dire consequences. Unless of course Putin puts another spin on events.
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The only point i disagree with here is about correcting direction, we hardly made an effort and when we did, we chose the nuclear option or nothing.

Other than that completely agree. The issue remains tho, if you will excuse the pun, we have left the EU but we still have to deal with them. Are we more effective outside than in? That we were not effective inside imo was down to the way we went about things but i think it will be next to impossible to influence things from outside. The great boris give away is testament to that.
 
Feco said:
Everything taken into account, it was a no-deal Brexit by the back door.

What is not widely known is that away from the obvious ‘trading’ part of Brexit, much of the remaining parts of the separation where brushed over with ‘framework agreements’.

Deals for the likes of electricity supply and I believe aviation (there are many others) are still to be agreed, we are essentially still operating under the same rules as we were prior to leaving the EU, obviously taking back control only applied to those issues that were politically expedient to Boris and Co before the self imposed deadline.

This is not about remain or leave anymore, that was decided back in 2016.
This was about the Government having a duty to negotiate a deal that benefitted the country.
Unfortunately they spent 4 years trying to maximize the political capital rather than find a solution, and as usual the end result was spin and bluster, with no substance.

I am still of a mind that if it hadn’t been for the borders to Europe being closed in early December, and the chaos that caused at our ports, there would not have been any ‘agreement’ to announce. Boris was forced into a deal when he saw what the full consequences would be. It is also why he gave so much away to our European importing competitors, certainly the playing field wasn’t leveled up as promised.

That’s why we have ‘No Deal Lite’ now with the benefit of continuing uncertainty for very many years to come.

Which ever way you voted in the 2016, you should feel disappointed with the outcome.
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A good post soiled by the highlighted bit.

The four years were because of a 'not accepting the result' majority parliament who refused to get behind the mandate given them by the country; we even witnessed leaders of parties going to Brussels on their own volition telling them we were not going to leave!!

Parliament should have got behind the result and pushed forward with alacrity.
 
Polly 433 said:
I have a completely different view of Europe and EU, too many on here. This may of been shaped by working in Health and Social care and visiting very deprived areas across Europe and elsewhere. Many were districts controlled by far left and far right.
UK’s extreme wings are small in number and their power diminished by our voting system where centre always holds sway. The right, is at present In ascendancy and with the economic downturn likely to arrive across Europe including UK later this year, unemployment and workers rights likely to take a hit.
This will be fertile ground for extremes and tension and the right is positioned to gain votes and power in coalitions. Already several governments have majorities. Not just in places like Hungry and Poland but Likes of Italy and Austria. Sweden far right have over 20% and Frances Marine LePen possibly 50%. Nearly every country in Europe has a larger % far right learners than U.K. This is reflected in the EU with right wing parties holding 28% of MEP’s.

I am confident the success of the Tory party will be short lived and at next election Labour under Starmer will gain a decade of government, provided he holds the middle ground. Failure of other parties to listen to Brexit voters returned Boris, not a desire for Tory policy.

Since the 2008 financial crash I have viewed the EU as increasingly right wing by actions and socialist by words. Protectionist and bullying by actions and totally hypocritical. They pass fine weasel worded documents then fail to police them, allowing governments to steer around laws that others abide by, at their cost.

EU as a trading organisation has many benefits, be it protectionist. Schengen as a concept is excellent. It is the politics and finances that worry me. Since 2008 they have had an opportunity to address these issues but have failed. As a country we did not succeed in correcting direction. Thus better out. To continue was marching to the rights drum. Many on here will disagree but correcting the financial direction of the EU will have dire consequences. Unless of course Putin puts another spin on events.
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Good post.
 
Polly 433 said:
I have a completely different view of Europe and EU, too many on here. This may of been shaped by working in Health and Social care and visiting very deprived areas across Europe and elsewhere. Many were districts controlled by far left and far right.
UK’s extreme wings are small in number and their power diminished by our voting system where centre always holds sway. The right, is at present In ascendancy and with the economic downturn likely to arrive across Europe including UK later this year, unemployment and workers rights likely to take a hit.
This will be fertile ground for extremes and tension and the right is positioned to gain votes and power in coalitions. Already several governments have majorities. Not just in places like Hungry and Poland but Likes of Italy and Austria. Sweden far right have over 20% and Frances Marine LePen possibly 50%. Nearly every country in Europe has a larger % far right learners than U.K. This is reflected in the EU with right wing parties holding 28% of MEP’s.

I am confident the success of the Tory party will be short lived and at next election Labour under Starmer will gain a decade of government, provided he holds the middle ground. Failure of other parties to listen to Brexit voters returned Boris, not a desire for Tory policy.

Since the 2008 financial crash I have viewed the EU as increasingly right wing by actions and socialist by words. Protectionist and bullying by actions and totally hypocritical. They pass fine weasel worded documents then fail to police them, allowing governments to steer around laws that others abide by, at their cost.

EU as a trading organisation has many benefits, be it protectionist. Schengen as a concept is excellent. It is the politics and finances that worry me. Since 2008 they have had an opportunity to address these issues but have failed. As a country we did not succeed in correcting direction. Thus better out. To continue was marching to the rights drum. Many on here will disagree but correcting the financial direction of the EU will have dire consequences. Unless of course Putin puts another spin on events.
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Good post. I think the main concern is that you don’t see the movement to permanently establish right wing dominance of the UK. With Bozo in charge it really is wolf in sheep’s clothing. You could correct about the rest of Europe moving in a similar direction and the danger in the US is clear. Scary times.
 
Was this the week the country finally accepted Brexit?
Between the vaccine rollout, the likely economic recovery and the calming of trade frictions, public perception has improved significantly

By Julian Jessop, an independent economist writing in The Telegraph.

Brexit is not yet done and there are plenty of problems that still need fixing, especially in Northern Ireland. Nonetheless, public perceptions of Brexit have improved significantly, business concerns are fading, and now we have some hard evidence of a quick rebound in UK-EU trade too.

According to the latest Ipsos MORI poll, more Britons now think the decision to leave the EU has had a positive impact on the UK (39 per cent) than negative (38 per cent). Of course, this is well within the margin of error, but it reflects an 8-point increase in positive sentiment in just one month.

In addition, a new poll by JL Partners for Bloomberg suggests that if there were a referendum tomorrow, 56 per cent would vote to stay out of the EU and only 44 per cent to rejoin (excluding 'don’t knows' and 'won’t says').

This can largely be attributed to the mess that the EU is making of the response to Covid. Some will continue to argue that the UK could have developed, approved, and rolled out the vaccines more quickly even if still subject to the EU’s rules. But it is surely no coincidence that ‘Brexit Britain’ was the only country to go its own way.

The EU’s vaccine failures and the Commission's over-reach also illustrate many of the fundamental weaknesses of the bloc; the difficulty of coordinating policies and funding across so many nations (the EU’s larger size has counted for nothing), excessive and inefficient bureaucracy, and an overly-cautious approach to regulation.

The divergence between the UK and the EU on the vaccine rollout and lockdowns is already having a marked impact on the outlooks for their respective economies. For example, both the OECD and IMF have recently revised up their forecasts for global and UK growth, while barely changing their numbers for the euro area.

The many ways in which the Commission and national governments have escalated contract disputes, threatened to block exports – and even raided factories – is also likely to do lasting damage to the attractiveness of the EU as a place to invest and run a business.

Obviously, it is not all ‘bright sunlit uplands’. Many UK companies – especially smaller enterprises and individuals – are still struggling with the increases in barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. The additional checks between Northern Ireland and mainland Britain are clearly one of several factors behind the renewed unrest in Belfast too.

But recent surveys at least provide some reassurance about the impact on the UK economy as a whole. In particular, the latest Deloitte poll of CFOs shows that concerns about Brexit have dropped sharply down the risk list, having been top for long periods since 2016. Indeed, ‘deflation and economic weakness in the euro area and the possibility of a renewed euro crisis’ is now seen as bigger risk.

The Deloitte survey also suggested that most (mainly larger) businesses have faced only mild or no Brexit disruption. Just under 10 per cent of CFOs have experienced ‘significant’ or ‘severe’ problems, but this proportion is expected to drop to 3 per cent in a year’s time.

Some other surveys are more pessimistic. One by EY and London First found three-quarters of respondents faced some degree of disruption following the end of the transition period, and half of those expect it to continue over the long term.

This may be more representative of the experiences of smaller companies. However, the EY/London First polling was conducted earlier (16-22 February, compared to 17-29 March for the Deloitte survey), and so may not be as up to date.

In the meantime, the latest data on international trade, published today by the Office for National Statistics, are reassuring. They showed a decent rebound in UK exports to the EU (up 47 per cent) between January and February, after the rocky start at the end of the transition period. Exports (both to the EU and the rest of the world) were still lower than the pre-Covid levels a year earlier, but this measure should turn positive from March.

Preliminary estimates from French customs are already signalling a further improvement. According to the French, ‘trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic’.

In short, sentiment towards Brexit has already taken a sharp turn for the better. A relatively strong economic recovery in the UK and the quick bounce back in trade with the EU can only help.
 
Strett said:
Was this the week the country finally accepted Brexit?
Between the vaccine rollout, the likely economic recovery and the calming of trade frictions, public perception has improved significantly

By Julian Jessop, an independent economist writing in The Telegraph.

Brexit is not yet done and there are plenty of problems that still need fixing, especially in Northern Ireland. Nonetheless, public perceptions of Brexit have improved significantly, business concerns are fading, and now we have some hard evidence of a quick rebound in UK-EU trade too.

According to the latest Ipsos MORI poll, more Britons now think the decision to leave the EU has had a positive impact on the UK (39 per cent) than negative (38 per cent). Of course, this is well within the margin of error, but it reflects an 8-point increase in positive sentiment in just one month.

In addition, a new poll by JL Partners for Bloomberg suggests that if there were a referendum tomorrow, 56 per cent would vote to stay out of the EU and only 44 per cent to rejoin (excluding 'don’t knows' and 'won’t says').

This can largely be attributed to the mess that the EU is making of the response to Covid. Some will continue to argue that the UK could have developed, approved, and rolled out the vaccines more quickly even if still subject to the EU’s rules. But it is surely no coincidence that ‘Brexit Britain’ was the only country to go its own way.

The EU’s vaccine failures and the Commission's over-reach also illustrate many of the fundamental weaknesses of the bloc; the difficulty of coordinating policies and funding across so many nations (the EU’s larger size has counted for nothing), excessive and inefficient bureaucracy, and an overly-cautious approach to regulation.

The divergence between the UK and the EU on the vaccine rollout and lockdowns is already having a marked impact on the outlooks for their respective economies. For example, both the OECD and IMF have recently revised up their forecasts for global and UK growth, while barely changing their numbers for the euro area.

The many ways in which the Commission and national governments have escalated contract disputes, threatened to block exports – and even raided factories – is also likely to do lasting damage to the attractiveness of the EU as a place to invest and run a business.

Obviously, it is not all ‘bright sunlit uplands’. Many UK companies – especially smaller enterprises and individuals – are still struggling with the increases in barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. The additional checks between Northern Ireland and mainland Britain are clearly one of several factors behind the renewed unrest in Belfast too.

But recent surveys at least provide some reassurance about the impact on the UK economy as a whole. In particular, the latest Deloitte poll of CFOs shows that concerns about Brexit have dropped sharply down the risk list, having been top for long periods since 2016. Indeed, ‘deflation and economic weakness in the euro area and the possibility of a renewed euro crisis’ is now seen as bigger risk.

The Deloitte survey also suggested that most (mainly larger) businesses have faced only mild or no Brexit disruption. Just under 10 per cent of CFOs have experienced ‘significant’ or ‘severe’ problems, but this proportion is expected to drop to 3 per cent in a year’s time.

Some other surveys are more pessimistic. One by EY and London First found three-quarters of respondents faced some degree of disruption following the end of the transition period, and half of those expect it to continue over the long term.

This may be more representative of the experiences of smaller companies. However, the EY/London First polling was conducted earlier (16-22 February, compared to 17-29 March for the Deloitte survey), and so may not be as up to date.

In the meantime, the latest data on international trade, published today by the Office for National Statistics, are reassuring. They showed a decent rebound in UK exports to the EU (up 47 per cent) between January and February, after the rocky start at the end of the transition period. Exports (both to the EU and the rest of the world) were still lower than the pre-Covid levels a year earlier, but this measure should turn positive from March.

Preliminary estimates from French customs are already signalling a further improvement. According to the French, ‘trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic’.

In short, sentiment towards Brexit has already taken a sharp turn for the better. A relatively strong economic recovery in the UK and the quick bounce back in trade with the EU can only help.
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Good old right wing Torygraph. on the other hand... https://www.theguardian.com/comment...xit-belfast-violence-eu-good-friday-agreement
 
Strett said:
A good post soiled by the highlighted bit.

The four years were because of a 'not accepting the result' majority parliament who refused to get behind the mandate given them by the country; we even witnessed leaders of parties going to Brussels on their own volition telling them we were not going to leave!!

Parliament should have got behind the result and pushed forward with alacrity.
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Pushed forward to where tho ffs. They did push, we did leave but what we did not do and still dont have is a fucking end destination. As feco pointed out half the shit isnt sorted and temporary agreements could stop or change at any point. When we were pushed, we caved, we werent in a position to do much else. And after all that we still have no idea, divergence on some stuff but what and how much?

Even if you feel leave was the best idea the specific arrangements we have ended up with have barely been thought out and we still have too many loose ends and serious uncertainty. Its a mess that is likely to get worse before, indeed if, it ever gets better.
 
Strett said:
A good post soiled by the highlighted bit.

The four years were because of a 'not accepting the result' majority parliament who refused to get behind the mandate given them by the country; we even witnessed leaders of parties going to Brussels on their own volition telling them we were not going to leave!!

Parliament should have got behind the result and pushed forward with alacrity.
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And despite this, if Boris and the ERG had backed their then leader then the the UK would have left on time with a far 'better' deal. I accept that the word 'better' is very subjective in this case.

The bottom line is Boris used the Brexit process for his own ends and was prepared to drag it out as long as possible to achieve that irrespective of the damage such actions created.
Boris had one ambition, to be PM, Brexit was his only chance, and the ERG aided and abetted that ambition.

That aside, Boris told us that he had an 'Oven Ready Deal', he even ran an election campaign on that basis.
It turned out that was a lie, to go with the 'easest deal in history', etc etc.
However he did get his headline, he was the PM who got Brexit 'done' and that is undeniable.

Unfortunately the weakness of Boris's deal, just to get the headline and the place in history will hurt UK businesses for many years, but that will undoubtedly be someone else's fault.

As I said, my post was not about Leave or Remain or who did or didn't accept what...the UK left, so your point is moot.
The post was about the dogs turd of a deal the UK has been landed with.

Dress it up anyway you like, but nobody other than Boris is responsible for that.
 
Strett said:
Was this the week the country finally accepted Brexit?
Between the vaccine rollout, the likely economic recovery and the calming of trade frictions, public perception has improved significantly

By Julian Jessop, an independent economist writing in The Telegraph.

Brexit is not yet done and there are plenty of problems that still need fixing, especially in Northern Ireland. Nonetheless, public perceptions of Brexit have improved significantly, business concerns are fading, and now we have some hard evidence of a quick rebound in UK-EU trade too.

According to the latest Ipsos MORI poll, more Britons now think the decision to leave the EU has had a positive impact on the UK (39 per cent) than negative (38 per cent). Of course, this is well within the margin of error, but it reflects an 8-point increase in positive sentiment in just one month.

In addition, a new poll by JL Partners for Bloomberg suggests that if there were a referendum tomorrow, 56 per cent would vote to stay out of the EU and only 44 per cent to rejoin (excluding 'don’t knows' and 'won’t says').

This can largely be attributed to the mess that the EU is making of the response to Covid. Some will continue to argue that the UK could have developed, approved, and rolled out the vaccines more quickly even if still subject to the EU’s rules. But it is surely no coincidence that ‘Brexit Britain’ was the only country to go its own way.

The EU’s vaccine failures and the Commission's over-reach also illustrate many of the fundamental weaknesses of the bloc; the difficulty of coordinating policies and funding across so many nations (the EU’s larger size has counted for nothing), excessive and inefficient bureaucracy, and an overly-cautious approach to regulation.

The divergence between the UK and the EU on the vaccine rollout and lockdowns is already having a marked impact on the outlooks for their respective economies. For example, both the OECD and IMF have recently revised up their forecasts for global and UK growth, while barely changing their numbers for the euro area.

The many ways in which the Commission and national governments have escalated contract disputes, threatened to block exports – and even raided factories – is also likely to do lasting damage to the attractiveness of the EU as a place to invest and run a business.

Obviously, it is not all ‘bright sunlit uplands’. Many UK companies – especially smaller enterprises and individuals – are still struggling with the increases in barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. The additional checks between Northern Ireland and mainland Britain are clearly one of several factors behind the renewed unrest in Belfast too.

But recent surveys at least provide some reassurance about the impact on the UK economy as a whole. In particular, the latest Deloitte poll of CFOs shows that concerns about Brexit have dropped sharply down the risk list, having been top for long periods since 2016. Indeed, ‘deflation and economic weakness in the euro area and the possibility of a renewed euro crisis’ is now seen as bigger risk.

The Deloitte survey also suggested that most (mainly larger) businesses have faced only mild or no Brexit disruption. Just under 10 per cent of CFOs have experienced ‘significant’ or ‘severe’ problems, but this proportion is expected to drop to 3 per cent in a year’s time.

Some other surveys are more pessimistic. One by EY and London First found three-quarters of respondents faced some degree of disruption following the end of the transition period, and half of those expect it to continue over the long term.

This may be more representative of the experiences of smaller companies. However, the EY/London First polling was conducted earlier (16-22 February, compared to 17-29 March for the Deloitte survey), and so may not be as up to date.

In the meantime, the latest data on international trade, published today by the Office for National Statistics, are reassuring. They showed a decent rebound in UK exports to the EU (up 47 per cent) between January and February, after the rocky start at the end of the transition period. Exports (both to the EU and the rest of the world) were still lower than the pre-Covid levels a year earlier, but this measure should turn positive from March.

Preliminary estimates from French customs are already signalling a further improvement. According to the French, ‘trade in goods between France and the UK, both exports and imports, has been rising steadily since January and by March was close to normal, allowing for the persistence of the economic consequences of the pandemic’.

In short, sentiment towards Brexit has already taken a sharp turn for the better. A relatively strong economic recovery in the UK and the quick bounce back in trade with the EU can only help.
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There is a difference between acceptance and liking the deal.
Whatever we think, businesses are stuck with what we have, and we have to carry on as best we can, certainly for the time being.
That doesn't mean its a position that is liked.

What the ONS is not reporting is that some specialist manufacturing companies in the EU are now refusing to quote UK companies because of the uncertainties of costs associated with shipping to the UK now.
Again, I fully accept, we are not talking about an industry making £bn amounts, but the income would certainly give the shell fish industry a run for its money.
It's not a unique situation either.
It all mounts up.
 
Feco said:
And despite this, if Boris and the ERG had backed their then leader then the the UK would have left on time with a far 'better' deal. I accept that the word 'better' is very subjective in this case.

The bottom line is Boris used the Brexit process for his own ends and was prepared to drag it out as long as possible to achieve that irrespective of the damage such actions created.
Boris had one ambition, to be PM, Brexit was his only chance, and the ERG aided and abetted that ambition.

That aside, Boris told us that he had an 'Oven Ready Deal', he even ran an election campaign on that basis.
It turned out that was a lie, to go with the 'easest deal in history', etc etc.
However he did get his headline, he was the PM who got Brexit 'done' and that is undeniable.

Unfortunately the weakness of Boris's deal, just to get the headline and the place in history will hurt UK businesses for many years, but that will undoubtedly be someone else's fault.

As I said, my post was not about Leave or Remain or who did or didn't accept what...the UK left, so your point is moot.
The post was about the dogs turd of a deal the UK has been landed with.

Dress it up anyway you like, but nobody other than Boris is responsible for that.
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Not sure i agree with the he got brexit done. Part of the whole bullshit is that it has not been done in so many areas and is at least 50% of why the whole wretched deal sucks cos there is no agreed deal for half of it.

We have set ourselves up to compete, trade wars already looming. For sure all the gammons will squeal when things start to get rough, the vaccines has already been a little taste. What we have got is big fat toxic mess.
 
Feco said:
There is a difference between acceptance and liking the deal.
Whatever we think, businesses are stuck with what we have, and we have to carry on as best we can, certainly for the time being.
That doesn't mean its a position that is liked.

What the ONS is not reporting is that some specialist manufacturing companies in the EU are now refusing to quote UK companies because of the uncertainties of costs associated with shipping to the UK now.
Again, I fully accept, we are not talking about an industry making £bn amounts, but the income would certainly give the shell fish industry a run for its money.
It's not a unique situation either.
It all mounts up.
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Correct, you have to play with the hand you are dealt, not the one you wish you had.
 
radfordinlondon said:
Not sure i agree with the he got brexit done. Part of the whole bullshit is that it has not been done in so many areas and is at least 50% of why the whole wretched deal sucks cos there is no agreed deal for half of it.

We have set ourselves up to compete, trade wars already looming. For sure all the gammons will squeal when things start to get rough, the vaccines has already been a little taste. What we have got is big fat toxic mess.
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Boris definitely got Brexit done, it’s his name all over headlines, and his face in the photos.
As you point out, the devil is in the detail......
 
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