Pope John XXIII
Vital Football Legend
You've made that comparison previously and yet again brought it back up. It's the language of a racist to continually diminish the impact of slavery by comparing with the Norman conquest.
Serfdom wasn't slavery and if you think everyone was living a merry old life of freedom and prosperity before 1066 you're fucking delusional. If you think we weren't well on the path towatd serfdom you're fucking delusional. Nationalism didn't even particularly exist as a concept on 1066, the only people who gave a flying fuck were the elites when they were replaced by another group of Elites.
For the record slavery existed in England before the Norman conquest, the Norman's outlawed it. For a Historian you know fuck all about history.
Enjoy collecting your thumbs up from the likes of Polly and JBcasta. You're bang on the same page as them.
https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/here-we-go.110362/page-235
Exceptionally arrogant of you to assume you needed to teach me any history lessons on slavery in England.
I have not mentioned the Atlantic Slave Trade, you have. I have compared nothing to the Atlantic slave trade, you have. You've been called out for this countless times; you don't get to make up things people have said and then take the moral high ground in opposition to what you've just made up.
You have denied the existance (and certainly the importance) of slavery in this country in the past.
Serfdom was a form of slavery.
Was the serf a free man? No. Hence there being a separate class of Freemen.
Was the serf free to find another lord? No
Were the serf's children and dependents also serf's? Yes
Did the Lord have the right to extraordinary privileges over the serf? Yes- I gave the example of the right of the first night, but even if you wanted to bake bread you had to pay the lord to use his mill- you couldn't use another one.
If a lord killed a serf, would the be punished for it? No.
The only difference was that no formal ownership existed and the lord was under no compunction to feed his serf's; which in hard winters made a serf's lot much worse, not better.
Now, if you want fairly widespread slavery, the Danes are your people, although the middle East has a long tradition also.