valenciagill
Vital Football Hero
He's a strange man , that's for sure !
Obsessed with bringing the Tories down or as he emphasised, of their destruction
A rather negative man too
He tried to attack Farage over Brexit but failed miserably.
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He's a strange man , that's for sure !
Obsessed with bringing the Tories down or as he emphasised, of their destruction
A rather negative man too
He tried to attack Farage over Brexit but failed miserably.
Trev_GFC
Vital 1st Team Regular
Having a Google:
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....grants-go-migration-data-during-the-pandemic/
Although the stats admittedly sound like they need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Undocumented asylum seekers isnāt the end of the world as long as they get picked up. Remember, this isnāt USA. I used to live in two different states and remember how hundreds the immigrant population would line the dual carriageways in each town hoping to be picked up for casual labour.
valenciagill
Vital Football Hero
They use the blanket term 'migrants'.
Migration is good
The wrong type of migration will provoke war 'twixt cultures/religions
What do people prefer ?
ThreeSixes
Vital Football Hero
That's not being reported as much. The footage of the boat crossing people is only showing people travelling from France to England, not the other way.
Trev_GFC
Vital 1st Team Regular
I grew up and worked in environments where it was the done thing to dislike Eastern Europeans for ācoming here, taking our jobs/benefitsā. So Iām slightly heartened to hear your acceptance that non-asylum migration is good (and you would personally know).They use the blanket term 'migrants'.
Migration is good
The wrong type of migration will provoke war 'twixt cultures/religions
What do people prefer ?
Other than that you know my position is we shouldnāt rip up all future asylum applications based on heinous crimes committed by a portion of those who have previously landed on our shores.
Migrants arriving on dinghies will always sell and get the heart beating. Migrants leaving our shores will no doubt get the Remain press whipping up a storm too. The main issue I believe is down to a lack of stats, as the link I sent Valencia suggests:
ā The main source of data used to measure immigration and emigration flowsāthe International Passenger Surveyāhas been suspended due to the pandemic. As a result, recent attempts to examine how the migrant population is changing have used population survey data, which does not give a direct measure migration flows but does give some insight into the migrant population and how it is changing.ā
So do you support a welfare state ?
If so, how do you decide who is entitled to support ? (anyone who rocks up ??)
Then how do you decide who should be taxed to pay for it ? (everyone you dislike ?)
Your home :
Do you ever lock the door ?
If not, do you have an expectation that a boat-load of people shouldn't just turn up and demand a bed for the night ?
"Migration is good".They use the blanket term 'migrants'.
Migration is good
The wrong type of migration will provoke war 'twixt cultures/religions
What do people prefer ?
Careful or you might get mis-represented.
The problem for the UK has been mass-migration with its huge, negative impacts...
.....not cross-fertilisation of ideas from a handful of migrants.
Supporters of migration often give examples of how the UK helped the persecuted.
A favourite example is the French Hugenots - Protestants escaping persecution by Catholics.
Off Rochester High Street is a terrace built for them (and a plaque with details).
But......
It was around 50,000 ... over 10 years.
Easy to manage.
Over the last decade the UK has received around 1,000,000 every 3 years.
(Then we "found" an extra 3,000,000 EU citizens who applied for settled status.)
There is only one "NetZero" that should be supported.
One out, one in .... until housebuilding has caught up
(and schools, surgeries roads etc)
Which reminds me....
In Spain, when the financial crisis hit, we had many reports of large amounts of new built housing that was empty.
There was so little demand that the Banks did not evict job-losers (better to have the property looked after.)
So what is happening with those empty properties now ?
Do the guests actually answer the questions posed?
I feel that the interruptions are necessary to stop politicians deflecting and digressing in an attempt to avoid scrutiny.
shotshy
Vital Champions League
Farage doesnāt really ask questions.
He gives his points of view then allows the guests to give theirs.
Itās actually interesting and quite progressive.
No point scoring and total respect for an alternative view.
Maybe it will catch on.
Therealwaldo
Vital Squad Member
Some on here talk about migration if itās just about welcoming people into the country. For context, the birth rate I.e. live births per 1000 of the population is currently at its lowest since records began and thatās not a new phenomenon. Thatās a trend thatās been growing over the last few years. Itās not confined to the UK, but is also happening across the developed world. At the same time weāre living longer (although life expectancy increases have stalled in the UK). The combination of the two factors means that the economically active portion of the population is shrinking fast.
There is also a figure for full employment. Itās difficult to say exactly what it is because of things like under employment (I.e. where people are counted as in employment but only have a limited amount of part time work). In years gone by, the calculation was a figure of around a million unemployed counted as full employment. Thatās partly because of employability but also because of a mismatch of skills. You might be short of brain surgeons and airline pilots but only a small percentage of the 1 million are capable of being trained for those jobs.
If you look at many studies you find that the vast majority of migrants want the opportunity to work and contribute. The argument with many seems to revolve around that point. If there is general agreement that we need managed migration, the reality is that the majority in the past have come into the country into specific areas of employment. Now that many have gone, we are suffering.
There should be a sensible debate around this issue. The problem is that it rarely happens because that, for at least some, dislike of foreigners and xenophobia seems to drive all other considerations out of the window. Thatās not a barb directed on anyone on here but an observation on the state of the debate in the country generally.
There is also a figure for full employment. Itās difficult to say exactly what it is because of things like under employment (I.e. where people are counted as in employment but only have a limited amount of part time work). In years gone by, the calculation was a figure of around a million unemployed counted as full employment. Thatās partly because of employability but also because of a mismatch of skills. You might be short of brain surgeons and airline pilots but only a small percentage of the 1 million are capable of being trained for those jobs.
If you look at many studies you find that the vast majority of migrants want the opportunity to work and contribute. The argument with many seems to revolve around that point. If there is general agreement that we need managed migration, the reality is that the majority in the past have come into the country into specific areas of employment. Now that many have gone, we are suffering.
There should be a sensible debate around this issue. The problem is that it rarely happens because that, for at least some, dislike of foreigners and xenophobia seems to drive all other considerations out of the window. Thatās not a barb directed on anyone on here but an observation on the state of the debate in the country generally.
shotshy
Vital Champions League
If you canāt have the conversation, you can never find a solution.
During the debate about leaving the Eu and thus, uncontrolled immigration from the Eu, the discussion usually turned toālittle Englanderā xenophobic racists.
One of our past contributors tossed it around like confetti at a wedding.
Itās accepted that immigration is necessary but most logical people (even Farage)
What the majority seem to think is that it should be controlled to benefit the receiving country.
I canāt imagine why anybody could have a problem with that.
During the debate about leaving the Eu and thus, uncontrolled immigration from the Eu, the discussion usually turned toālittle Englanderā xenophobic racists.
One of our past contributors tossed it around like confetti at a wedding.
Itās accepted that immigration is necessary but most logical people (even Farage)
What the majority seem to think is that it should be controlled to benefit the receiving country.
I canāt imagine why anybody could have a problem with that.
For the cool kids: Y=AF(K,L)
ThreeSixes
Vital Football Hero
But it has to be sensible debate by people saying the "right" things. Any mention of crime, intolerance, misogyny, homophobia, sexual abuse etc will soon lead to accusations of racism from the self righteous crew (the leader of which, ironically, won't even be able to see this thread!).
valenciagill
Vital Football Hero
Terrorism too.
Watched it Shotshy,Fucking mentally insane Roger Hallam
valenciagill
Vital Football Hero
I was disappointed in Farage tonight.
The extinction rebellion guy was a bit weird to say the least. Farage tried a bit too hard to humiliate his opponent.
Hopefully Nigel receives some feedback and returns to a more pleasant tone.
I'm enjoying Brazier's show , standing in for Andrew Neil.
He has almost (to use a footballing term) made the position his own.
Jerryattrick
Vital Football Hero
Noticeable that gbnews takes the same line as the rest of the media - russia evil, china evil, etc lol.
shotshy
Vital Champions League
That's basically because Russia is a threat to the West and has been since the end of WW2.
For the Russian hierarchy, the cold war never ended.
As for China, well they have and are committing a genocide while much of the western world stays silent.
The treatment of the Uighur Muslims is absolutely appalling.
So, basically Jerry, by saying Russia evil and China evil, you've pretty much hit the nail on the head.
If GBNews didn't portray it as what it is, they would be accused of fake news.
