Wayne.Kerr
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But how many MPs?
EU strategy to destroy the Chequers ‘agreement’...
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valenciagill
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Nobody can answer that.
UKIP do have an established , national network . That's essential if a street/grass roots movement is to succeed.
Populists realise that the ballot-box is the way forward.
Problem then is that you end up with a Blair-a-like. I rejoiced when he was elected under a Labour banner but I don't think he did much to adjust the Rich/Poor divide. He definitely had predominately capitalist instincts and tendencies.
Better than a Tory though, obviously.[/QUOTE]
Blimey, you're back to talking sense GBN. Phew.
:-)
A shame John Smith died. I'm sure he would have won.
Wayne.Kerr
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How many MPs? Too far right to appeal to many
GillsBluenose
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That is true. He won most of the debates as well, unlike Kinnock who could make an ass of himself.
It is difficult to say whether John Smith was electable. I think it would have been close. More left wing than Blair but less than Jezza.
Gordon Brown seemed to be his natural successor but Labour decided to put Blair forward and the rest is history.
Buddha
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Nazi might be an abbreviation of National Socialists but they were never ever socialists but you're right about the Tories.
Basically speaking, tories are cnts, nazis are uber cnts.
Buddha
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Kinnock was a *** who denounced the brave people who defeated the poll tax.
Blair was an utter *** who placed not a single objection to the fcking horrific and treachourous 1994 Criminal Justice Act, and then later topped this by being a war criminal.
John Smith was good. Quite possible that he was assasinated.
Corbyn provides hope. And I do so hope he becomes Prime Minister. Not sure that he will though, and even if he does I await disappointment because he is, after all, a politician. Still, better that he at least provides hope than the certain trepidation that all other options induce.
wxgill
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I have always been a labour supporter but i do not like some of the things he stands for. I also think he has been VERY 2 faced over Brexit.
Last election i voted green and probably will do next time.
Buddha
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He has been in a very difficult position re Brexit. Not sure he has been two faced, more poker faced. What other things that he stands for do youu have a problem with?
The Greens have some very admirable ideals but I always fear that they're a little bit fascist. I have much more time for the Alliance of Green Socialism.
jogills
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Whatever you believe why would you assume a moderate Labour leader would open a massive lead over the tories? Every Labour leader that I can remember has been described by the majority of the media as too left wing, too extreme, too redistributive and so on.
The "moderate" MPs in the Labour Party have been hanging around waiting for buggins turn but have failed to notice that the public don't want them. They have nothing to offer that hasn't failed already.
The "moderate" MPs in the Labour Party have been hanging around waiting for buggins turn but have failed to notice that the public don't want them. They have nothing to offer that hasn't failed already.
madrid_gill
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Colin's in favour of Brexit. If that doesn't sway a few doubters back in favour of remaining, I don't know what will.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/12/neil-warnock-cardiff-city-brexit-leave
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jan/12/neil-warnock-cardiff-city-brexit-leave
madrid_gill
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"Sudden" abusive manner? Wayne's been abusing people on the various forums we've used for years!
Buddha
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Can't say I blame him for that.
Anyway, I'm more concerned about what he'll do to help the poor, the homeless, and those generally in need of help.
GillsBluenose
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That is my impression, and the problem is how much of that money we are required to contribute.
Although I am retired, in all my workplaces we were constantly being told to cut costs everywhere we could. It would be really interesting to know how tightly controlled the EU budget is and whether any contributing country has any direct say on that control. Perhaps WK has one of his helpful links about that?
You are whistling in to the wind if you think there will be any reform. They have effectively been restating that position by standing firmly by their four freedoms, some of which IMHO are the reasons why we voted out and why anti-EU feeling has been rising in other countries including France (Le Pen) and Germany.
If they had shown some flexibility or considered reform, Cameron would have been able to justify shelving the original referendum but I agree with WK's view that continued UK membership was obviously not seen as important.
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Therealwaldo
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Average tax payer pays £19 per annum to cover our EU contribution. Doesn't sound much to be arguing about.
I probably would have agreed 2-3 years ago. But I think recent events in Europe have opened eyes that reform is necessary.
People on the forum were angered by paying £3 extra for a ticket vs Cardiff!
GillsBluenose
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So no accountability or cost control required. Fair enough. Same should have applied for those MP's expenses a few years back. Don't think it cost us much per head and the fuss actually cost the taxpayer in prison costs, after all.
