EFL Statement: Board Update On Coronavirus | Page 5 | Vital Football

EFL Statement: Board Update On Coronavirus

Sincilbanks said:
Almost certainly testing, testing and more testing. Find the cases, find those who have been in contact, isolate them and continue testing. What all these countries have in common was a willingness to fight the virus every step of the way, from it's earliest stages, they therefore know exactly where it is, where the hotspots are and what measure need to be taken. In the UK we're flying blind to a large degree because our government packed in testing for the crucial 3 weeks it was needed the most.
Click to expand...
Apparently not. I haven't done extensive research, but I do know that Japan got a very public pasting from South Korea a month or so ago for supposedly not doing enough testing. Again, this is a very interesting case because whilst South Korea have established themselves as the Covid-19 Test World Champions, from what I can tell, in Japan the advice from the start was don't go to hospital unless symptoms become severe and practise appropriate hygiene and social distancing measures (although the latter certainly can't apply to the Tokyo Underground during rush hour, so is this just another anomaly?).

The stats on both countries are also interesting though... South Korea have reported just over 9,000 cases and 120 deaths (miles behind the global mortality rate average at 1.3%). Japan has reported 1,193 cases with 43 deaths (falling closer to the global average at 3.6%).
 
Last edited by a moderator:
buckielugger said:
In Holland it looks utterly lethal on those figures.
Clearly no common method for recording this but overall, this is definitely very deadly.
Click to expand...

The Netherlands seems to fall in with pretty much the global average... which is that around 4% of people who catch Covid-19 will die.

An interesting trend now though is that we're seeing countries with truck loads of cases, but serious/critical and death rates well below 4-5%. Germany, Switzerland, the UK (to a lesser degree), Austria and Norway to name a few.

And this is my major concern going forward... at what point do we accept that people will catch this virus, that a certain (and very small) proportion will succumb to it, but that the priority probably has to switch from protecting lives in terms of Covid-19, and protecting everyone's lives in terms of keeping an ordered civilisation going?

I'll happily admit I'm a complete layman when it comes to medicine, but to my unlearned mind, waiting for tests and vaccines isn't feasible if it means months and months of society being shut down. And whilst it's a horrendous doomsday scenario to contemplate, history tells us that nations with scores of hungry, desperate and poor people living in it end up in catastrophe... and that will be a catastrophe way beyond what it is being experienced now.

Very worrying times.
 
This ex Leicester City goalkeeper has quite an interesting take on things:

 
79imp said:
The Netherlands seems to fall in with pretty much the global average... which is that around 4% of people who catch Covid-19 will die.

An interesting trend now though is that we're seeing countries with truck loads of cases, but serious/critical and death rates well below 4-5%. Germany, Switzerland, the UK (to a lesser degree), Austria and Norway to name a few.

And this is my major concern going forward... at what point do we accept that people will catch this virus, that a certain (and very small) proportion will succumb to it, but that the priority probably has to switch from protecting lives in terms of Covid-19, and protecting everyone's lives in terms of keeping an ordered civilisation going?

I'll happily admit I'm a complete layman when it comes to medicine, but to my unlearned mind, waiting for tests and vaccines isn't feasible if it means months and months of society being shut down. And whilst it's a horrendous doomsday scenario to contemplate, history tells us that nations with scores of hungry, desperate and poor people living in it end up in catastrophe... and that will be a catastrophe way beyond what it is being experienced now.

Very worrying times.
Click to expand...

If Trump lifts restrictions at Easter I guess we'll find out. We already are a nation with scores of hungry, desperate and poor people. As a civilised society our duty is to support the vulnerable, that is the social contract we all engage in as part of a (reasonably) liberal democratic society, that is why we pay our taxes, give to charities, volunteer our spare time and look out for our neighbours. From each according to their means, to each according to their needs...
 
I doubt Trump thinks he needs "experts" in a pandemic. He just "knows", right, he can just "trust his gut"? What could possibly go wrong...
 
NottyImp said:
I doubt Trump thinks he needs "experts" in a pandemic. He just "knows", right, he can just "trust his gut"? What could possibly go wrong...
Click to expand...

There's only one thing he cares about, the Dow. He's losing millions every day and he knows those who prop up his campaign contributions are losing billions. If he doesn't fix this for them his campaign contributions dry up and they'll give them to someone who will, anything else is secondary...

Edited to add. The strategy will almost certainly be, "This is a states issue, they should be dealing with this, it's nothing to do with me"
 
Last edited:
79imp said:
The Netherlands seems to fall in with pretty much the global average... which is that around 4% of people who catch Covid-19 will die.

An interesting trend now though is that we're seeing countries with truck loads of cases, but serious/critical and death rates well below 4-5%. Germany, Switzerland, the UK (to a lesser degree), Austria and Norway to name a few.

And this is my major concern going forward... at what point do we accept that people will catch this virus, that a certain (and very small) proportion will succumb to it, but that the priority probably has to switch from protecting lives in terms of Covid-19, and protecting everyone's lives in terms of keeping an ordered civilisation going?

I'll happily admit I'm a complete layman when it comes to medicine, but to my unlearned mind, waiting for tests and vaccines isn't feasible if it means months and months of society being shut down. And whilst it's a horrendous doomsday scenario to contemplate, history tells us that nations with scores of hungry, desperate and poor people living in it end up in catastrophe... and that will be a catastrophe way beyond what it is being experienced now.

Very worrying times.
Click to expand...

Hid the nail on the head there feller.

Many would argue that should have been done from the start. Indeed it will be interesting to compare the casualty rate from Countries that have done nothing.Eg.They are still playing league football in Belarus.

And also at some stage the debate at some stage how all this is going to be paid for eg.A hike in VAT rates to 25-30%. And that would be the final nail in the fortunes of many clubs in the unlikely event they do survive an extended shutdown.
 
57harry said:
Hid the nail on the head there feller.

Many would argue that should have been done from the start. Indeed it will be interesting to compare the casualty rate from Countries that have done nothing.Eg.They are still playing league football in Belarus.

And also at some stage the debate at some stage how all this is going to be paid for eg.A hike in VAT rates to 25-30%. And that would be the final nail in the fortunes of many clubs in the unlikely event they do survive an extended shutdown.
Click to expand...

some-of-you-62vynw.jpg
 
Some estimates put the death rate of this virus at 0.05% which is less than seasonal flu. Is it being suggested that this shutdown is done yearly ?
 
57harry said:
Some estimates put the death rate of this virus at 0.05% which is less than seasonal flu. Is it being suggested that this shutdown is done yearly ?
Click to expand...

Well we could just open everything up and just pray for the best and hope that's true, despite evidence from elsewhere that it isn't that. I'm sure that would be the recommendation from all those Italian and Spanish healthcare specialists right now. Of course if we're wrong we condemn all our healthcare specialists to 18 hour shifts, 7 days a week, sticking the bodies in the churches because they can't be buried fast enough and having loved ones die completely alone in ICU because their families aren't allowed to visit them.
 
57harry said:
Some estimates put the death rate of this virus at 0.05% which is less than seasonal flu. Is it being suggested that this shutdown is done yearly ?
Click to expand...

Sources, please? I haven't seen any estimates from reputable sources as low as that.
 
"Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%."

You've chosen the lowest possible estimate from an analysis that posits massive uncertainty in the data to begin with.

One thing I do know, seasonal 'flu doesn't kill 5000 people in a small region of Italy in a few weeks.
 
Sincilbanks said:
There's only one thing he cares about, the Dow. He's losing millions every day and he knows those who prop up his campaign contributions are losing billions. If he doesn't fix this for them his campaign contributions dry up and they'll give them to someone who will, anything else is secondary...

Edited to add. The strategy will almost certainly be, "This is a states issue, they should be dealing with this, it's nothing to do with me"
Click to expand...

And. Here. We. Go...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.