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Under those terms, it would be perfectly acceptable for me to have rabbit stew in the evening as long as I waited next to a road long enough for one to get squashed.
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Under those terms, it would be perfectly acceptable for me to have rabbit stew in the evening as long as I waited next to a road long enough for one to get squashed.
The environmental disaster that is the meat industry also makes it immoral as well
If there was no market for meat there would be no process. Consumers cannot divorce themselves from the industry they fund
I do have an allotment and I do ride a bike. So along with being vegan, I do a lot. Why should I do even more when others cannot be arsed to do anything?Okay, how about applying your puritanical views to your own life: You'll need to stop heating your home, you'll need to stop driving, you'll need to stop eating any veg that you cannot prove has been grown in a fully organic way, and hasn't been transported by an internal combustion engine.
I'm done here.
I do have an allotment and I do ride a bike. So along with being vegan, I do a lot. Why should I do even more when others cannot be arsed to do anything?
I am not going to take issue with most of that but do you believe that climate change is human driven?Two parts to that really. Firstly you are right you don't have to do even more. You can choose to do as little or much as you like - so long as you aren't telling other people what, how little or much they should be doing.
Secondly as regards being 'arsed', why should people have to do anything though. If people want to be vegan, ride cycles and grow their own produce that's great for them and I am glad it brings them happiness, health, peace of mind or any other positive vibes.
Because I eat meat, drive a car and buy stuff I haven't grown myself it's not because I can't be arsed, it is because that is what I choose to do and they all make my life more pleasurable, efficient and convenient etc.
You may have, and can gladly keep the moral high ground; you might be right in some of your opinions; but it doesn't make others wrong that disagree by making a different lifestyle choice.
I will continue to (legally) do what is best for my personal circumstances. I don't have to be 'arsed' to do anything different.
I'll just get the fence out and sit on it. Climate change hmmm, I'm not an expert or qualified to pick through the data with any confidence from a factual perspective.I am not going to take issue with most of that but do you believe that climate change is human driven?
I'll just get the fence out and sit on it. Climate change hmmm, I'm not an expert or qualified to pick through the data with any confidence from a factual perspective.
I do know there are a load of climate change deniers that produce 'evidence' to support the stance that the changes in temperature are within the normal cyclical parameters. I also know there are a load of people with an environmental agenda (be it politically or for green energy contract awards) that produce 'evidence' to say the opposite.
Bottom line is that I don't know any suitably qualified individual or organisation I can trust to not have an agenda so I can't draw upon a confident point of view.
If I want accurate believable information that I can trust implicitly on something like the coronavirus I go to my oldest friend who is an eminent international scientist within that field. I know that he knows his stuff and God help anyone that would try and influence him about known science and pure research, for any reason short of a close family member being held captive. Unfortunately I don't have that luxury of such a source when it comes to climate change.
If you want my opinion, I am inclined to believe that it would be ridiculous to think that man's activities would have no impact on climate but I also think there are some very hysterical people out there that may be guilty of over stating the issue. As an example remind me what qualifications Thunberg holds to speak with so much perceived authority and influence. For balance, I am sure I could come up with some equally unqualified climate change deniers if I spent 5 mins. with Google.
Perhaps she has a very old friend who is an eminent international scientist?
Well this is all very topical for this segment of the thread
Leaving aside (shock horror) two people having opposing views conducting a civilised discussion on that nasty GB News Channel; is anybody else any the wiser as to the extent of significant global warming; I know I'm not.
Key points I picked up, not that I wasn't already aware of them - The doom monger scientists have consistently got their predictions wrong in the past. That doesn't preclude that doom monger scientists might be right one day. It's all pretty pointless unless somebody causes China to get their shit together.
That’s an excellent explanation, although quite telling that he was starting to sound like a parent talking to a five year old having a tantrum. You can see why Farage is such catnip to the terminally stupid - just boil everything down to lowest common denominator bullshit and you don’t have to engage your brain or go to the effort of any critical thinking. It’s incredibly sad that in this country we seem to revel in such ignorance - it’s like we’re moving into a new Dark Age.
The time is long since gone to pretend that man made climate change isn’t having a hugely adverse impact on the planet. Standing and pointing at ‘the other’ simply isn’t going to cut it anymore. China are of course responsible but they are also responsible for huge advances in renewable technology. We’ll all have to contribute and it will involve changing the way we live and making uncomfortable choices - which is the real reason why the likes of Farage have a problem with it.
Whatever, if somebody wants to be vegan good for them. If somebody wants to eat meat, good for them.