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I stood on the terrace too and agree the boos were pretty widespread, and was bemused by the “how shit must you be” chant. I was fearing there would be an element that would be singing Scally Out from early on and at the wrong moments like when we’re attacking or have a corner, but none of that. Just a lot of support for the team who put in an encouraging display.
 
One day after Steve Evans was appointed .Durham Gills posted these messages.
  1. rumours
    I take onboard your comment but I never said he would never employ Evans, rather contrary to that I said the PS would employ who he wanted to and who he considered the best applicant for the job regardless of comments and he did just that. Evans is by far the most experienced manager we had had...
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    Evans rumours
    All - lets be clear these PMs are not from what i would call "regular posters" on here and lets be honest the regulars would say it to my face or online and not resort to PMs. The content was such that I would not wish my wife or grandson to see them who also use my PC and are both Gills...
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    Evans rumours
    You can name and shame me if you like - PS also asked the fan NOT to recount the conversation in Blackpool so very difficult to confirm or deny it took place. This incident and the behaviour of fans towards PS has led him to consider throwing in the towel and who would blame him - I would like...
    • DurhamGills
    • Post #7
    • May 22, 2019
    • Forum: The Blues Rock Cafe
    • He appears not to have posted anything since .I will leave you to draw your own conclusions to what happened and who Durham really was?
 
One day after Steve Evans was appointed .Durham Gills posted these messages.
  1. rumours
    I take onboard your comment but I never said he would never employ Evans, rather contrary to that I said the PS would employ who he wanted to and who he considered the best applicant for the job regardless of comments and he did just that. Evans is by far the most experienced manager we had had...
  2. [IMG]https://forums-cdn.vitalfootball.co.uk/data/avatars/s/13/13649.jpg?1523366222[/IMG]
    Evans rumours
    All - lets be clear these PMs are not from what i would call "regular posters" on here and lets be honest the regulars would say it to my face or online and not resort to PMs. The content was such that I would not wish my wife or grandson to see them who also use my PC and are both Gills...
  3. [IMG]https://forums-cdn.vitalfootball.co.uk/data/avatars/s/13/13649.jpg?1523366222[/IMG]
    Evans rumours
    You can name and shame me if you like - PS also asked the fan NOT to recount the conversation in Blackpool so very difficult to confirm or deny it took place. This incident and the behaviour of fans towards PS has led him to consider throwing in the towel and who would blame him - I would like...
    • DurhamGills
    • Post #7
    • May 22, 2019
    • Forum: The Blues Rock Cafe
    • He appears not to have posted anything since .I will leave you to draw your own conclusions to what happened and who Durham really was?

Was there a point to your post?
 
You've put it much better this time, I think.
I still don't agree with you entirely but this time you don't appear to be offering some kind of excuse for the racists.
Maybe I misunderstood you before? If I did, then I'm sorry.
I agree entirely with your second paragraph.

You did, but apology accepted.
I often get hold of the wrong end of the stick myself, so I can not preach.

No way would I stand up for any bully who tries to make out that one race is any better than another, gangs up on another or ridicules another. Every person is different but mutual respect costs nothing.
 
I began supporting Gillingham as far back as 1995, when the club was in administration and facing an uncertain future. I still recall the final home game of the season against Hereford United when we invaded the home pitch and sang 'We'll support you evermore!' as we didn't know if we'd have a club to support the following season.

Paul Scally came in along with Tony Pullis (as per Tony Smith's recommendations on the sale of club). What we then witnessed was unprecedented success for Gillingham Football Club and Championship or second tier football for the first time ever a few years later. It is absolutely right that Scally takes the credit for investing in this project; a project that has proved, ultimately, to be successful.

Are we thankful for this? Yes. But during this time we began to see the more questionable elements of Paul Scally's tenure.

For starters, there were his internal disputes with key club stakeholders - he surely must now regret going to war with the then GFC Supporters Club, and banning it's chairman Alan Liptrott. Moreover, it was a grave mistake to ban the local KM Newspaper group at the same time, a primary outlet with which to promote or advertise the club to new or potential audiences amongst the wider Medway region and beyond, across Kent.

He also perhaps could have done more in the aftermath of the death of Matthew Fox at Priestfield Stadium when we played Fulham in 1998 and couldn't understand why he was ostracised by Mohammed Al Fayed (Fulham's then chairman) in the boardroom at Craven Cottage a few years later. Granted, there probably wasn't a lot he could have done. But there is enough argument that he could have done more to difuse what has become a bitterly incendiary rivalry between the two clubs. Whether he was right or wrong, he shouldn't have made any references to Al Fayed in his programme notes following the exchange, and rose above it.

Then there's Charlton. Granted, none of us really like our closest (geographic) divisional rivals. But Scally's incessant whinging about how their pricing and ticketing structure was depriving us of Kent-based Gills fans (and revenue) because 'there are no Charlton fans living in Charlton', even implying that it was a 'Millwall area', compounded the animosity from Charlton fans, some of whom made clear that they hated Paul Scally, not Gillingham (especially as they were aware that he was previously a box holder and director at The Den).

Then there was the ITV Digital fiasco, demanding settlement and compensation from a bankrupt TV company, which perhaps suggested his occasional naivety when it came to business. Then there was the new stadium and casino which he demanded Medway council build using millions from local taxpayers (of course, this idea didn't materialise).

Of course, we overlooked this because he was investing heavily in the team, we were building on our success, we had drawn 42,000 fans to Wembley, and we were riding a 'purple wave'. He was utterly right to draw attention to the club's potential and proximity to the European mainland at a time when we were still in the European Union and sponsored by a prominent French cross-channel ferry operator (Sea France). But it some became clear during the Credit Crunch that much of our spending on players, facilities etc was financed by as much as £25 million of debt from HBOS, and we needed lower league austerity to restructure and pay our debts. It soon became clear that things had become so bad that we weren't paying our electricity bill (hence why the ticket office was closed), nor for our use of the training ground (which our players were locked out of). At around the same time, he unwisely applauded the decision to dock Leeds United 20 points for falling into administration, which Ken Bates used to pin to the dressing room wall for motivation when we played our final L1 game in 2008 at Elland Road, where we needed to win to stay up (we didn't), and savage Scally's Medway United and 'Medway Village' plans.

Since then, we've heard regular bombast about aspirations for more Championship football but with no corresponding ambition or investment. It's also clear that Scally pushed many fans over the edge by appointing a manager who was public enemy numero uno with Gills fans (Steve Evans), which we accepted on the proviso that he would be given the means to put together a promotion winning team. Alas, we are still in league one, paying £24 a game to watch a team languishing in mid-table league one, and fans seem to be in sympathy with Steve Evans who has been dropping hints that it's increasiny a difficult proposition to build a successful team on a thinning budget.

The lack of current success doesn't concern me too much. The relatively expensive cost of a matchday (£20-£25) isn't a problem really either. Neither are the long queues in the factory or even just to buy a one-off matchday ticket, nor the relatively stressful matchday experience for casual fans who attend Priestfield (although we do need to do everything we can to get new supporters to come to Priestfield and not jump on the High-Speed train to the Emirates/London Stadiums or other London teams like Chelsea/Palace etc).

What *does* bother me, and I suspect I'm not alone, is that these issues are increasingly intolerable in the current Post-Covid world, and Scally's vituperative and unreasonable response to (some of the fair) criticisms of his lack of preparation to adapt to the new global reality, the apparent indifference towards paying punters, when we should be working out how to forge flourish, minimise losses and progress in a new, imperiled world which shows no mercy to impossibly tight margins, is trying the collective patience of Gills fans. The fact that there sometimes seems to be 'something of the Trump' about Paul Scally -at least one or two of Scally's businesses reportedly went bankrupt under his watch too- hasn't helped, and there is increasingly less patience now for creative licensing and accounting nowadays, asone or two of my friends who run businesses or work in sales-driven environments now can attest.

Now I should make clear that I don't spend my time abusing Scally, or by busting my spleen and various other internal organs, in part because there are laws, I'm civilised, old enough to know better etc. I also utterly condemn anyone who needs to resort to verbal or physical abuse.

But I'm largely indifferent. Why? Because I suspect he won't be around too much longer. His recent appearances alongside that Bauvill owner from Chatham Town suggest that soon there may be new ownership, and there will be a mutual relief on the part of *everyone* that Gillingham as a football club can stabilise and move forward.
 
Excellent post HarrowGill. Whether Damien South has the funds to buy Scally out and take over the club remains to be seen. He does seem to have taken over from Jarvis as the club’s main sponsor in the past year.
 
Quite a leap in your last paragraph Harrow but I hope you are right. I'm not convinced though. Main sponsor next year maybe but that's quite a leap to ownership.

Trip down memory lane in your post. The torquay away game will stick with me forever. Felt like that was it but quite a party to go out on for those who made a weekend of it.
 
Good post and observations, Harrow.

Nobody could possibly say that everything he has done has been bad for the club but he has always felt the need to antagonise, then wonders why he gets grief himself.

Small point but saying "he was investing heavily in the team" isn't quite correct, is it? - He was deciding to invest the club's money. As has been pointed out, he has never invested any of his own and Banks have written off some or all of the debts that were run up on behalf of the club.

On a quick scan, I don't think you even included his brilliant idea to change the club's shirts away from blue without seeking fans opinions first. As I said above, he makes autocratic decisions like that, then wonders why he gets grief.

It's the fan's club when he wants to raise money for stands and sell tickets, while at the same time it is regarded as impertinent to object to something so fundamental to the club's DNA.
 
I began supporting Gillingham as far back as 1995, when the club was in administration and facing an uncertain future. I still recall the final home game of the season against Hereford United when we invaded the home pitch and sang 'We'll support you evermore!' as we didn't know if we'd have a club to support the following season.

Paul Scally came in along with Tony Pullis (as per Tony Smith's recommendations on the sale of club). What we then witnessed was unprecedented success for Gillingham Football Club and Championship or second tier football for the first time ever a few years later. It is absolutely right that Scally takes the credit for investing in this project; a project that has proved, ultimately, to be successful.

Are we thankful for this? Yes. But during this time we began to see the more questionable elements of Paul Scally's tenure.

For starters, there were his internal disputes with key club stakeholders - he surely must now regret going to war with the then GFC Supporters Club, and banning it's chairman Alan Liptrott. Moreover, it was a grave mistake to ban the local KM Newspaper group at the same time, a primary outlet with which to promote or advertise the club to new or potential audiences amongst the wider Medway region and beyond, across Kent.

He also perhaps could have done more in the aftermath of the death of Matthew Fox at Priestfield Stadium when we played Fulham in 1998 and couldn't understand why he was ostracised by Mohammed Al Fayed (Fulham's then chairman) in the boardroom at Craven Cottage a few years later. Granted, there probably wasn't a lot he could have done. But there is enough argument that he could have done more to difuse what has become a bitterly incendiary rivalry between the two clubs. Whether he was right or wrong, he shouldn't have made any references to Al Fayed in his programme notes following the exchange, and rose above it.

Then there's Charlton. Granted, none of us really like our closest (geographic) divisional rivals. But Scally's incessant whinging about how their pricing and ticketing structure was depriving us of Kent-based Gills fans (and revenue) because 'there are no Charlton fans living in Charlton', even implying that it was a 'Millwall area', compounded the animosity from Charlton fans, some of whom made clear that they hated Paul Scally, not Gillingham (especially as they were aware that he was previously a box holder and director at The Den).

Then there was the ITV Digital fiasco, demanding settlement and compensation from a bankrupt TV company, which perhaps suggested his occasional naivety when it came to business. Then there was the new stadium and casino which he demanded Medway council build using millions from local taxpayers (of course, this idea didn't materialise).

Of course, we overlooked this because he was investing heavily in the team, we were building on our success, we had drawn 42,000 fans to Wembley, and we were riding a 'purple wave'. He was utterly right to draw attention to the club's potential and proximity to the European mainland at a time when we were still in the European Union and sponsored by a prominent French cross-channel ferry operator (Sea France). But it some became clear during the Credit Crunch that much of our spending on players, facilities etc was financed by as much as £25 million of debt from HBOS, and we needed lower league austerity to restructure and pay our debts. It soon became clear that things had become so bad that we weren't paying our electricity bill (hence why the ticket office was closed), nor for our use of the training ground (which our players were locked out of). At around the same time, he unwisely applauded the decision to dock Leeds United 20 points for falling into administration, which Ken Bates used to pin to the dressing room wall for motivation when we played our final L1 game in 2008 at Elland Road, where we needed to win to stay up (we didn't), and savage Scally's Medway United and 'Medway Village' plans.

Since then, we've heard regular bombast about aspirations for more Championship football but with no corresponding ambition or investment. It's also clear that Scally pushed many fans over the edge by appointing a manager who was public enemy numero uno with Gills fans (Steve Evans), which we accepted on the proviso that he would be given the means to put together a promotion winning team. Alas, we are still in league one, paying £24 a game to watch a team languishing in mid-table league one, and fans seem to be in sympathy with Steve Evans who has been dropping hints that it's increasiny a difficult proposition to build a successful team on a thinning budget.

The lack of current success doesn't concern me too much. The relatively expensive cost of a matchday (£20-£25) isn't a problem really either. Neither are the long queues in the factory or even just to buy a one-off matchday ticket, nor the relatively stressful matchday experience for casual fans who attend Priestfield (although we do need to do everything we can to get new supporters to come to Priestfield and not jump on the High-Speed train to the Emirates/London Stadiums or other London teams like Chelsea/Palace etc).

What *does* bother me, and I suspect I'm not alone, is that these issues are increasingly intolerable in the current Post-Covid world, and Scally's vituperative and unreasonable response to (some of the fair) criticisms of his lack of preparation to adapt to the new global reality, the apparent indifference towards paying punters, when we should be working out how to forge flourish, minimise losses and progress in a new, imperiled world which shows no mercy to impossibly tight margins, is trying the collective patience of Gills fans. The fact that there sometimes seems to be 'something of the Trump' about Paul Scally -at least one or two of Scally's businesses reportedly went bankrupt under his watch too- hasn't helped, and there is increasingly less patience now for creative licensing and accounting nowadays, asone or two of my friends who run businesses or work in sales-driven environments now can attest.

Now I should make clear that I don't spend my time abusing Scally, or by busting my spleen and various other internal organs, in part because there are laws, I'm civilised, old enough to know better etc. I also utterly condemn anyone who needs to resort to verbal or physical abuse.

But I'm largely indifferent. Why? Because I suspect he won't be around too much longer. His recent appearances alongside that Bauvill owner from Chatham Town suggest that soon there may be new ownership, and there will be a mutual relief on the part of *everyone* that Gillingham as a football club can stabilise and move forward.

Good post .But I would say it would be logical if Scally wanted to get Bauvill on board with the new ground project.Which could still be Scally's only planned escape route. Weather anything like that will happen we will only find out if it ever gets off the ground. I doubt very much that that video was any more that a attempt to bring in friendly supportive voices to the Scally rabbit.
 
Small point but saying "he was investing heavily in the team" isn't quite correct, is it? - He was deciding to invest the club's money. As has been pointed out, he has never invested any of his own and Banks have written off some or all of the debts that were run up on behalf of the club.
I can think of three times where he possibly helped the club with his own money:
- initial investment when he first took over the club. Otherwise would the administrators have really done such a job to clear the debts while keeping our main assets? Would Gills have been trusted to take out a heap of credit? He often mentions how he mortgaged his house during this time to afford our successes.

The share issue.

When Three Directors raised nearly £5 million to transfer a portion of Gills’ debt during the restructuring. We’ve since been paying Michael Anderson back £900k that we know of.
 
I began supporting Gillingham as far back as 1995, when the club was in administration and facing an uncertain future. I still recall the final home game of the season against Hereford United when we invaded the home pitch and sang 'We'll support you evermore!' as we didn't know if we'd have a club to support the following season.

Paul Scally came in along with Tony Pullis (as per Tony Smith's recommendations on the sale of club). What we then witnessed was unprecedented success for Gillingham Football Club and Championship or second tier football for the first time ever a few years later. It is absolutely right that Scally takes the credit for investing in this project; a project that has proved, ultimately, to be successful.

Are we thankful for this? Yes. But during this time we began to see the more questionable elements of Paul Scally's tenure.

For starters, there were his internal disputes with key club stakeholders - he surely must now regret going to war with the then GFC Supporters Club, and banning it's chairman Alan Liptrott. Moreover, it was a grave mistake to ban the local KM Newspaper group at the same time, a primary outlet with which to promote or advertise the club to new or potential audiences amongst the wider Medway region and beyond, across Kent.

He also perhaps could have done more in the aftermath of the death of Matthew Fox at Priestfield Stadium when we played Fulham in 1998 and couldn't understand why he was ostracised by Mohammed Al Fayed (Fulham's then chairman) in the boardroom at Craven Cottage a few years later. Granted, there probably wasn't a lot he could have done. But there is enough argument that he could have done more to difuse what has become a bitterly incendiary rivalry between the two clubs. Whether he was right or wrong, he shouldn't have made any references to Al Fayed in his programme notes following the exchange, and rose above it.

Then there's Charlton. Granted, none of us really like our closest (geographic) divisional rivals. But Scally's incessant whinging about how their pricing and ticketing structure was depriving us of Kent-based Gills fans (and revenue) because 'there are no Charlton fans living in Charlton', even implying that it was a 'Millwall area', compounded the animosity from Charlton fans, some of whom made clear that they hated Paul Scally, not Gillingham (especially as they were aware that he was previously a box holder and director at The Den).

Then there was the ITV Digital fiasco, demanding settlement and compensation from a bankrupt TV company, which perhaps suggested his occasional naivety when it came to business. Then there was the new stadium and casino which he demanded Medway council build using millions from local taxpayers (of course, this idea didn't materialise).

Of course, we overlooked this because he was investing heavily in the team, we were building on our success, we had drawn 42,000 fans to Wembley, and we were riding a 'purple wave'. He was utterly right to draw attention to the club's potential and proximity to the European mainland at a time when we were still in the European Union and sponsored by a prominent French cross-channel ferry operator (Sea France). But it some became clear during the Credit Crunch that much of our spending on players, facilities etc was financed by as much as £25 million of debt from HBOS, and we needed lower league austerity to restructure and pay our debts. It soon became clear that things had become so bad that we weren't paying our electricity bill (hence why the ticket office was closed), nor for our use of the training ground (which our players were locked out of). At around the same time, he unwisely applauded the decision to dock Leeds United 20 points for falling into administration, which Ken Bates used to pin to the dressing room wall for motivation when we played our final L1 game in 2008 at Elland Road, where we needed to win to stay up (we didn't), and savage Scally's Medway United and 'Medway Village' plans.

Since then, we've heard regular bombast about aspirations for more Championship football but with no corresponding ambition or investment. It's also clear that Scally pushed many fans over the edge by appointing a manager who was public enemy numero uno with Gills fans (Steve Evans), which we accepted on the proviso that he would be given the means to put together a promotion winning team. Alas, we are still in league one, paying £24 a game to watch a team languishing in mid-table league one, and fans seem to be in sympathy with Steve Evans who has been dropping hints that it's increasiny a difficult proposition to build a successful team on a thinning budget.

The lack of current success doesn't concern me too much. The relatively expensive cost of a matchday (£20-£25) isn't a problem really either. Neither are the long queues in the factory or even just to buy a one-off matchday ticket, nor the relatively stressful matchday experience for casual fans who attend Priestfield (although we do need to do everything we can to get new supporters to come to Priestfield and not jump on the High-Speed train to the Emirates/London Stadiums or other London teams like Chelsea/Palace etc).

What *does* bother me, and I suspect I'm not alone, is that these issues are increasingly intolerable in the current Post-Covid world, and Scally's vituperative and unreasonable response to (some of the fair) criticisms of his lack of preparation to adapt to the new global reality, the apparent indifference towards paying punters, when we should be working out how to forge flourish, minimise losses and progress in a new, imperiled world which shows no mercy to impossibly tight margins, is trying the collective patience of Gills fans. The fact that there sometimes seems to be 'something of the Trump' about Paul Scally -at least one or two of Scally's businesses reportedly went bankrupt under his watch too- hasn't helped, and there is increasingly less patience now for creative licensing and accounting nowadays, asone or two of my friends who run businesses or work in sales-driven environments now can attest.

Now I should make clear that I don't spend my time abusing Scally, or by busting my spleen and various other internal organs, in part because there are laws, I'm civilised, old enough to know better etc. I also utterly condemn anyone who needs to resort to verbal or physical abuse.

But I'm largely indifferent. Why? Because I suspect he won't be around too much longer. His recent appearances alongside that Bauvill owner from Chatham Town suggest that soon there may be new ownership, and there will be a mutual relief on the part of *everyone* that Gillingham as a football club can stabilise and move forward.
For someone who says they are “largely indifferent” there’s an awful lot of bitterness in your comments. Your comments are also littered with half truths and, in some cases, only one side of the story. Perhaps if I were feeling stronger I’d refute much of it point by point. “Gillingham as a football can stabilise…” is a frankly laughable statement. In terms of the position up and down the leagues, Gillingham is regarded as one of the more stable clubs around. But the overall issue is that this continual negativity is corrosive and damaging. Can we please just get on and enjoy the football.
 
I can think of three times where he possibly helped the club with his own money:
- initial investment when he first took over the club. Otherwise would the administrators have really done such a job to clear the debts while keeping our main assets? Would Gills have been trusted to take out a heap of credit? He often mentions how he mortgaged his house during this time to afford our successes.
The share issue.
When Three Directors raised nearly £5 million to transfer a portion of Gills’ debt during the restructuring. We’ve since been paying Michael Anderson back £900k that we know of.

Unless you know otherwise, I believe that the actual consideration for the club was £1, but the taking on of the remaining debt would have involved guarantees with supporting collaterol which is where the second mortgage over his property comes in. There is no doubt that he took on a lot of risk and his business acumen improved the financial situation at the club, to the extent that certain secured or preferential loans (I believe one was to Tony Smith) were paid off but the receivership would have meant that other creditors at the time had to accept a small amount in the pound, or nothing at all. On top of that, I understand two Banks subsequently made a decision to write off millions of pounds of debt.

I admit to understanding nothing at all about the Three Directors thing. Scally claimed soon after the transfer was made, that the club were free of debt but it may have just been an accounting of tax related thing. I don't believe that if PS walked away, he could not tie that amount of debt in to the club again. Maybe it puts him in the same position as Tony Smith was in 1995. After all, Anderson is being paid back out of club funds. Why is that if the club is debt free?
 
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At the risk of receiving pelters agin, this is the point I have been trying to make about the subject of racism.

The die hard racists are just hate filled and other races are just one of many targets. The same people target gay people or anyone that is a bit different. If there is a crowd of them, then they feel emboldened.

Buddha didn't seem to get it when I said that, in my opinion, it all comes under the umbrella of bullying but I do not see that anything is achieved by making out that EVERYONE needs to be "educated". Most people are decent and see others as equals, so have the right to feel offended by such blanket protests as the knee.

Further evidence yesterday that such gestures will not convert the minority that are hate filled.

Here here, I and most people at football do not need educating, its as though they think all football fans are thick and we must educate the working class. If your racist your views are unlikely to be changed by watching players take the knee or sticking a few rainbow coloured corner flags around the ground is unlikely to change opinions of peoples dislikes towards gays.
They need to move on from this now, they have made their point and it does not appear to be helping much from what I see, I thought it was meant to unite people not divide. We are not in the USA where all this kneeling started after the death of George Floyed (sorry if I have wrong name) That copper was just a bully and he should serve a long sentence but lets not make out his victim was some angel. He was a complete scumbag with a long criminal record and no, I'm not saying he deserved that before someone gets offended.
Whatever people say I dont think we are a racist nation, I have worked with many people of all colours from all nations, had many black friends and most of them have said they have never really had any problems in this country whenever we approach this subject. We are different than the USA and I think certain people are looking for a problem that is'nt as bad as some are trying to portray.
 
Whatever people say I dont think we are a racist nation. I have worked with many people of all colours from all nations, had many black friends and most of them have said they have never really had any problems in this country whenever we approach this subject. We are different than the USA and I think certain people are looking for a problem that is'nt as bad as some are trying to portray.

Digressing somewhat but the fact is we are one of the most cosmopolitan nations on the earth. Although some remainers want to twist Brexit as being the work of racists, nothing could be further from the truth. Controlled immigration is welcomed and vital to this country but there is no reason why the government should not have some control of numbers. Outside of the EU, I am not aware of anywhere else in the world where sovereign nations have to accept limitless amount of new workers and settlers from other members of a union. Nobody has ever explained to be what is wrong with visa and work permit systems.

The other thing that rankles with me is how we are made to be ashamed of ever having had an empire or commonwealth. France had an empire. Spain had an empire. I rarely hear those countries criticised in the same way.
 
For someone who says they are “largely indifferent” there’s an awful lot of bitterness in your comments. Your comments are also littered with half truths and, in some cases, only one side of the story. Perhaps if I were feeling stronger I’d refute much of it point by point. “Gillingham as a football can stabilise…” is a frankly laughable statement. In terms of the position up and down the leagues, Gillingham is regarded as one of the more stable clubs around. But the overall issue is that this continual negativity is corrosive and damaging. Can we please just get on and enjoy the football.

No bitterness, just a weary impatience with a chairman who incresdingly seems to have produced more balderdash and bluster over the years and who seems unduly insensitive to criticism, whether justified or not.

Also, I struggle to think of any other clubs in the Football league who are forced to close their club shop or ticket office because the electric power supply was disconnected (as bills were not paid). Sure, this could have been down to an administrational oversight, rather than an inability to pay, but either scenario would point to a worrying dysfunctionality within the club.

'Perhaps if I was feeling stronger, I would refute much of it point by point'. I find it noteworthy that you chose not to! :blah:
 
Digressing somewhat but the fact is we are one of the most cosmopolitan nations on the earth. Although some remainers want to twist Brexit as being the work of racists, nothing could be further from the truth. Controlled immigration is welcomed and vital to this country but there is no reason why the government should not have some control of numbers. Outside of the EU, I am not aware of anywhere else in the world where sovereign nations have to accept limitless amount of new workers and settlers from other members of a union. Nobody has ever explained to be what is wrong with visa and work permit systems.

The other thing that rankles with me is how we are made to be ashamed of ever having had an empire or commonwealth. France had an empire. Spain had an empire. I rarely hear those countries criticised in the same way.

Taking the knee isn’t going to stop racism. Nor is any campaign like Kick Racism Out going to change people’s views. What it does it helps to raise awareness and discussion. If that, you can not deny it isn’t working.

Are we a racist nation? Certainly not a bad as some other nations but I come across racism and white privilege every day.
 
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