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JW1985 said:
The British print media have form for declaring many people guiltily before the trial or even before an arrests been made. Can't remember the names but a few years ago a girl was killed and the press almost unanimously decided it was her landlord simply because he had a weird haircut. His whole life was torn apart before someone else was found to have killed the girl.

Till the trials done I'll say no more except that Dalian was someone clearly having some sort of mental health breakdown, or whatever the correct term is. That shouldn't have led to him dying from police action.
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Christopher Jefferies in Bristol. Just a bit of a strange man so the papers basically painted him as a murderer and destroyed his life.
 
Platypus said:
Christopher Jefferies in Bristol. Just a bit of a strange man so the papers basically painted him as a murderer and destroyed his life.
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Barry Prosser kicked to death in Winson Green, similar treatment to the Birmingham Six. Maybe We who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
JW1985 said:
The British print media have form for declaring many people guiltily before the trial or even before an arrests been made. Can't remember the names but a few years ago a girl was killed and the press almost unanimously decided it was her landlord simply because he had a weird haircut. His whole life was torn apart before someone else was found to have killed the girl.

Till the trials done I'll say no more except that Dalian was someone clearly having some sort of mental health breakdown, or whatever the correct term is. That shouldn't have led to him dying from police action.
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Yes. The reporting yesterday was from the Prosecution opening speech at the very start of the trial so was hardly going to be giving both sides . Always 2 sides to a story which will be heard and decided upon.
 
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danvilla2 said:
I am far from being woke in today’s world, but I do absolutely think there is something at play here - even if subconscious. If that’s a fairly big, drunk white guy they would’ve probably wrestled him to the floor at most. Who knows, but there must be a subconscious tick for a different action or even if they did get the taser out, I bet they would’ve followed the guidance unlike the reports of this story.

I bit my tongue on this story when it came out as I wanted to hear the details as I thought it was just a bad set of circumstances and bad luck. But it’s police negligence which has lost the life of a player who I admired as a kid. I often think we are lucky in the U.K. to not have the problems they have in America - and we don’t by and large - but this is a tragic one that needs to be dealt with by the law.
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Can't disagree that the issues here in the US are worse, notably due to the fact that firearm possession and drug-use use is far more prevalent across all facets of society. Having said that, the media coverage paints a picture that is disgustingly, politically, and dangerously one-sided. They want us all to believe that we have to be either left-wing liberal socialists or right-wing white supremacist racists. 98% of normal everyday people are neither extreme. The media are literally trying to perpetuate/create a race war.
I never thought I'd see the day when I was of the opinion that the British media is actually painting a more balanced view of the world.... :unsure:
 
Think what helps in this country is that the police get far more training than do the American cops. It's by no means a complete answer; there will always be bad cops and indeed bad police forces. But it does attempt to set standards as to what is expected. Not always successfully.

In america as gmvillan said guns and drugs are a big factor. I'd imagine any cop who stops someone always has being shot at the back of his mind. But the right training would help.
 
McParlandTheGreat said:
Think what helps in this country is that the police get far more training than do the American cops. It's by no means a complete answer; there will always be bad cops and indeed bad police forces. But it does attempt to set standards as to what is expected. Not always successfully.

In america as gmvillan said guns and drugs are a big factor. I'd imagine any cop who stops someone always has being shot at the back of his mind. But the right training would help.
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You'd like to think our police are better trained but that's the arrogance of the British mentality creeping in. Every police force thinks they are the best.
There is a mixture of different police, some believe it or not are clever ones and the thugs they roll out at football matches I think they keep them caged and fed raw meat, the rest are somewhere in between, just like in any job I suppose.
 
Villan57 said:
You'd like to think our police are better trained but that's the arrogance of the British mentality creeping in. Every police force thinks they are the best.
There is a mixture of different police, some believe it or not are clever ones and the thugs they roll out at football matches I think they keep them caged and fed raw meat, the rest are somewhere in between, just like in any job I suppose.
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Police training in this country lasts 2 years. In the US it can be as little as a few weeks.

Going to matches in London in the 1960s, Fulham police (Fulham and Chelsea) were fine. Police at Spurs were mounted and routinely rode the horses at the fans queuing up.
 
McParlandTheGreat said:
Police training in this country lasts 2 years. In the US it can be as little as a few weeks.

Going to matches in London in the 1960s, Fulham police (Fulham and Chelsea) were fine. Police at Spurs were mounted and routinely rode the horses at the fans queuing up.
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You'd also get a slap round the ear hole in the '60s from the local copper if you were playing up. These days they are allowed to goad the police, it's no wonder some of them snap.
 
Bastard Copper - I hope he shares a cell with an old steamer or C Crew nutter.

"Policeman is cleared of murdering Dalian Atkinson but found guilty of manslaughter after Tasering ex-Aston Villa star for 33 seconds and kicking him head

PC Benjamin Monk, 43, was cleared of murder but convicted of manslaughter over the ex-footballer's death on a quiet cul-de-sac in Telford, Shropshire, in August 2016, after his claims to be 'terrified' Mr Atkinson could kill him and his 31-year-old fellow officer lover failed to sway the jury. "


Full Article..........https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...icer-GUILTY-manslaughter-Dalian-Atkinson.html
 
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It's disturbing that a police officer could use a tazer on a person, 3 times, the last time pushing the active button for 33 seconds, when the maximum recommended time is 5 seconds. Then kick that person in the head twice, while he's on the floor, so hard as to leave imprints of his bootlaces in the victims head.
What is more disturbing is that it took 5 years to bring the case to court.
Even more disturbing is that the policeman's police partner was only charged with assault, when it is clear they took part in the action that ended in the death of a human being.
The verdict is also strange, guilty of manslaughter.
It may have started off as a simple assault but, as soon as the tazer was activated for 33 seconds and then the victim kicked in the head twice, it was a clear case of intentional murder.
 
Not up on the technicalities of murder/manslaughter, but how can using a tazer totally over the safe 5 second threshold, multiple times, THEN kicking a man in the head, whilst on the floor, enough to leave bootprints NOT be murder?

Cowardly ****, I hope all his days are as horrific as the ordeal he put Dalian through was.
 
The Fear said:
Not up on the technicalities of murder/manslaughter, but how can using a tazer totally over the safe 5 second threshold, multiple times, THEN kicking a man in the head, whilst on the floor, enough to leave bootprints NOT be murder?

Cowardly ****, I hope all his days are as horrific as the ordeal he put Dalian through was.
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Basically they couldn't prove the intent to kill.
 
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