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Woanz said:
Anyone who doesn’t think the butchers playing the mindless optimism card is going to get us anywhere other than another lockdown is mental, stupid or both.


October or November is guaranteed
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I saw a professor on tv yesterday stated that the health folk feel like they do actually have to paint the worst case scenario to a degree simply because he does not listen to them and so they fear it will actually end up at that worse case scenario
 
Strett said:
Earlier this year we were told that the vaccine was the way out of lockdown.
Now we are told that lockdown is the way out of the pandemic.
Are we being teed up for something here, or is it another bumbling wretch of oral diarrhoea from the albino?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19...-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266
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The main reason for the drop in cases and deaths is clearly the restrictions. You only need to look at the graphs.
You know I hardly jump to defend him.
The vaccines help, of course, but take longer. Both are effective. Longer term, vaccines will do the job.
 
The SA variant outbreak in Lambeth includes a care home, the majority of those who tested positive had the AZ vaccine more than 2 weeks previously.

That's why we still need to be cautious.
 
Quarter of Covid deaths not caused by virus, new figures show.

Calls to speed up roadmap as data records people dying 'with' disease rather than 'from' it

Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are people who are not dying from the disease, new official figures show, as the Government was urged to move faster with the roadmap in the light of increasingly positive data.

The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that 23 per cent of coronavirus deaths registered are now people who have died "with" the virus rather than "from" an infection.

This means that, while the person who died will have tested positive for Covid, that was not the primary cause of their death recorded on the death certificate.

Other data also shows an increasingly positive picture of the state of the pandemic in the UK.

Daily death figures by "date of death" reveal that Britain has had no more than 28 deaths a day since the beginning of April, even though the government-announced deaths have been as high as 60.

This is because the Government gives a daily update on deaths based on the number reported that day, which can include deaths from days or weeks previously and therefore may not reflect the true decline in deaths. On Tuesday, the Government announced that there had been 23 further deaths.

Likewise, Oxford University has calculated that the number of people in hospital with an active Covid infection is likely to be around half the current published daily figure. Tuesday's official figure showed there were 2,537 Covid patients in hospital, with 230 new admissions.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/quarter-covid-deaths-not-caused-virus/
 
Calvin Plummer said:
The SA variant outbreak in Lambeth includes a care home, the majority of those who tested positive had the AZ vaccine more than 2 weeks previously.

That's why we still need to be cautious.
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Whether they have it isn't the real test of the AZ vaccine though, is it?

It's whether they die from it.

We already know that none of the vaccines are going to be that effective against transmission of SA.

What we will learn from this outbreak is what effect AZ has on the death rate in a care home.

We currently don't know what AZ does against SA in terms of serious illness and death prevention. We'll know soon enough.
 
in_the_top_one said:
The main reason for the drop in cases and deaths is clearly the restrictions. You only need to look at the graphs.
You know I hardly jump to defend him.
The vaccines help, of course, but take longer. Both are effective. Longer term, vaccines will do the job.
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Just to be clear in what you are saying.
With the UK now having among the lowest infection rate in Europe; you are now saying that our lockdown strategy was good?
 
Calvin Plummer said:
The SA variant outbreak in Lambeth includes a care home, the majority of those who tested positive had the AZ vaccine more than 2 weeks previously.

That's why we still need to be cautious.
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We were told the vaccine would break the link between cases, hospitalisations and deaths.
If there are neither hospitalisations nor deaths (or very low rate of both) then why do we need caution?
 
Strett said:
Just to be clear in what you are saying.
With the UK now having among the lowest infection rate in Europe; you are now saying that our lockdown strategy was good?
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No, he isn't; over 60,000 people died as a result of it being too late, and we have endured four months of it so far- as a result of it being too late
 
Pope John XXIII said:
No, he isn't; over 60,000 people died as a result of it being too late, and we have endured four months of it so far- as a result of it being too late
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So countries that locked down earlier than the UK, which are now having 50,000+ positive infections daily, were successful and got it correct?
 
Pope John XXIII said:
No, he isn't; over 60,000 people died as a result of it being too late, and we have endured four months of it so far- as a result of it being too late
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Also, can you show a link/study/paper demonstrating that 60,000 people died as a result of lockdown being "too late"?
I've recently posted a study from Cambridge Uni saying that inadvertently, locking down later will have, in the long run, saved more lives.
 
Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are for people who are not dying from the disease.

WTF?

So there is NO excuse whatsoever for this imprisonment to continue. Johnson and his SAGE masters have caused untold misery and economic destruction to this country, and they must be held to account.
 
Strett said:
Almost a quarter of registered Covid deaths are for people who are not dying from the disease.

WTF?

So there is NO excuse whatsoever for this imprisonment to continue. Johnson and his SAGE masters have caused untold misery and economic destruction to this country, and they must be held to account.
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Maybe they are being overly cautious after previous mistakes led to us having one of the highest death rates in the world?
 
India’s covid rates have shot up. Ripe for variants. If a variant develops that hits the young and is illusive of vaccines then everyone is in trouble.
 
Strett said:
Well have we one of the highest in the World?
We now know that a quarter of UK deaths are not from COVID.
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We know no such thing.

Someone I know who had hypertension died of a stroke while they had COVID.

Their death was caused by a stroke of course.

Does someone in their late 40's die of a stroke without it being brought on by COVID? It happens, but it's a touch coincidental for my liking.

You are doing that very awful thing of basically dismissing people with "underlying illnesses" dying on the basis that they would just have died of those illnesses anyway.
 
Strett said:
Well have we one of the highest in the World?
We now know that a quarter of UK deaths are not from COVID.
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Yeah if you look at the graph you posted above, look at our big spike between Jan and feb this year, and then remove a quarter of those deaths, we are still had a higher death rate than any other country on the graph.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
We know no such thing.

Someone I know who had hypertension died of a stroke while they had COVID.

Their death was caused by a stroke of course.

Does someone in their late 40's die of a stroke without it being brought on by COVID? It happens, but it's a touch coincidental for my liking.

You are doing that very awful thing of basically dismissing people with "underlying illnesses" dying on the basis that they would just have died of those illnesses anyway.
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We do. The ONS has reported this.
Are other nations reporting in the same way for comparison?
 
Strett have you tried looking at what the ONS is reporting, instead of having it filtered through the Telegraph's agenda?

Top row: Deaths with covid per week from from the beginning of Jan to now.
Bottom row: Deaths where Covid is the underlying cause

6,057, 7245, 8422, 8433, 7320, 5691, 4079, 2914, 2105, 1501, 963, 719, 400

5,367, 6510, 7592, 7610, 6521, 5035, 3495, 2469, 1685, 1197, 740, 535, 308

Doesn't look like a difference of almost a quarter to me, except for the last 3 weeks, where the sample size is smaller.

What period were the Telegraph talking about when they said nearly a quarter? Because you seem to have assumed that that figure is for the entirety of Covid, not just the last 3 weeks.
 
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