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LancsGordoRoad said:
Could be boom time for the micro breweries.
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Direct to consumer trade is often only a small fraction of a micro-brewery's business usually. They all need pub/bar trade which would normally be ramping up round about now (after normally making a loss in January & February). Bottles also have a fairly small profit margin unless you have a bottling machine in-house (which most don't)

However, in my Dad's case it might just about do enough to keep the business afloat. Their bottled stock is already paid for so the margin doesn't matter as much right now as it's just a case of getting as much cash to try and survive till the pubs come back.

There would be a high chance they'd be going bust during in the next few months but some of the Government help has given them a fighting chance. Thankfully they've also got some staff who's partners work in corporate jobs who can cover the living costs of their household. Therefore some have volunteered zero pay till it's all over and the money can be prioritised to help other workers who aren't in the same position.

To cut a long story short - small breweries are struggling but if you're buying try and get it direct from the brewery to help them out.
 
Gills 58 said:
I'm happy to accept that if it makes the workers feel better then that's nice.

Far, far more important is how they are normally treated and equipped. Clapping won't solve that.

Let's see how they are treated a few years down the line. I honestly hope I'm wrong, especially as I literally have "skin in the game" so as to speak.

I suspect there are some (just some) on here who have jumped on my comments who have happily gone along with how the emergency services have been treated for years.

My first post was deliberately provocative, hence my "ducks for cover" comment.
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But the whole idea of the "clapping the NHS" was to show the countries appreciation for the WORKERS on the frontline and the job they are doing in the current circumstances, putting aside the usual under funded, under resourced and under equipped state of the NHS. The political football of the NHS was not the focus of this. The idea originated from a woman from Brixton I think and gathered pace on social media and then was taken up by a radio station.

Given the circumstances of not having the correct PPE, they deserve more praise than normal IMO, and if clapping them raises their morale and spirits when many on the front line feel they're not being given the backing from government in times of need, then I'm cool with taking a couple of minutes to try to show them the people appreciate them even if the establishment don't in monetary terms and resources.

Having lived next door to an ICU doctor for 10 years and hearing the horrific stories he tells of 'normal' times, I shudder to think the stories he'll have to tell after this, if he's still here to tell the tales. I just hope he is.
 
LockdownLife said:
Direct to consumer trade is often only a small fraction of a micro-brewery's business usually. They all need pub/bar trade which would normally be ramping up round about now (after normally making a loss in January & February). Bottles also have a fairly small profit margin unless you have a bottling machine in-house (which most don't)

However, in my Dad's case it might just about do enough to keep the business afloat. Their bottled stock is already paid for so the margin doesn't matter as much right now as it's just a case of getting as much cash to try and survive till the pubs come back.

There would be a high chance they'd be going bust during in the next few months but some of the Government help has given them a fighting chance. Thankfully they've also got some staff who's partners work in corporate jobs who can cover the living costs of their household. Therefore some have volunteered zero pay till it's all over and the money can be prioritised to help other workers who aren't in the same position.

To cut a long story short - small breweries are struggling but if you're buying try and get it direct from the brewery to help them out.
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Hope it all goes well for your Dad. By choice i`d always buy from a small brewery. We`ve seen an increase in micro pubs in my area of Lancashire in the last couple of years. When opening, the proprietors usually quote Kent in one way or another - it`s regarded (among people I talk to up here) as the hub and knowledge centre of micro brewers.
 
Thanks Lancs, they've made it to 10 years which is pretty rare for a micro-brewery so fingers crossed. At lot were starting to struggle before this due to too many opening up and not enough have the right business model or skills. When they founded they helped start the London Brewers Alliance (despite not being in London) and now their are over 100 members.

I do believe a lot of their ingredients come from Kent. I guess those suppliers will also be finding it very tough right now.
 
Therealwaldo said:
There’s nothing inconsistent in supporting and joining the clapping which was a completely laudable expression of support for a bunch of truly brave people whilst at the same time pointing out the hypocrisy of some of those clapping who also cheered when they managed to block a pay rise for the same staff.
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Well put Waldo. Perhaps I should have started the thread in that vein rather than vent my anger at what has been going on for years. It was the vacuous hypocrisy of some that got me going.
 
myonlygillingham said:
not well advertised as first i heard was when i turned the wireless on this morning.
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this is true in a few places. My wife’s a nurse and her mum was the only one out in her street, she was out banging a saucepan with a spoon, and by all accounts she did it with gusto,

Big smile when I picture that, It must have been some site for the uninitiated!
 
The clapping's fine if it's an opportunity for people to get together and think about what the NHS staff do, and appreciate what the NHS is there for, and why it's so important to keep the NHS, and to keep it strong.

If it's an excuse for people to feel good about themselves for five minutes despite having consistently voted for politicians with a strategy of underfunding public services so they aren't fit for purpose so that the best bits can be sold off to their mates because "the private sector can always do it better", then it's nothing more than a gesture.

There are people who took part in the clapping for the former reasons and people who took part in it for the latter. There's nothing wrong with the action in itself as long as the question is "what next?" and how to follow up on it.
 
In fact, this is one of the occasions when the phrase "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is absolutely borne out. The press are creaming over Sunak for (in this case quite rightly) giving out handouts that Corbyn couldn't even have dreamed about.

It seems that in times of crisis when the shit truly hits the fan, socialism suddenly becomes acceptable. There's a logical conclusion to be drawn from this, as Mr Churchill found out in 1945. It's a pity it won't happen this time, because the fuckers in charge and their "moderate" opposition and supine media will make sure it bloody well doesn't.
 
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Alderman Barnes said:
The clapping's fine if it's an opportunity for people to get together and think about what the NHS staff do, and appreciate what the NHS is there for, and why it's so important to keep the NHS, and to keep it strong.

If it's an excuse for people to feel good about themselves for five minutes despite having consistently voted for politicians with a strategy of underfunding public services so they aren't fit for purpose so that the best bits can be sold off to their mates because "the private sector can always do it better", then it's nothing more than a gesture.

There are people who took part in the clapping for the former reasons and people who took part in it for the latter. There's nothing wrong with the action in itself as long as the question is "what next?" and how to follow up on it.
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Excellent post
 
FMOB. I've never known a simple act of gratitude be so forensically examined, pulled apart and politicised.
Those of you who are saying "but it won't give them more/better equipment".......its not meant to, it's a show of gratitude, nothing else. And where is the evidence to suggest it's just for the hoarders to feel good about themselves ????????
Christ, some people just need to get a grip, we've only been grounded for a few days and some have cabin fever already 🤦‍♂️
 
It is not "just for the hoarders to feel good about themselves".

I know I may have gone OTT but some people need to be called out for hypocrisy. Constantly saying how wonderful these workers are when they need them and treating them like sh#t the rest of the time. Hence from them it was meaningless and insulting. I thought Alderman's post put both sides of it perfectly.
 
Gills 58 said:
It is not "just for the hoarders to feel good about themselves".

I know I may have gone OTT but some people need to be called out for hypocrisy. Constantly saying how wonderful these workers are when they need them and treating them like sh#t the rest of the time. Hence from them it was meaningless and insulting. I thought Alderman's post put both sides of it perfectly.
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So your now speaking on behalf of NHS workers saying it was meaningless and an insult? You might think so but speaking to the NHS workers (the people who really matter in this, not you) I know, both them and their colleagues thought it was a nice gesture and a morale boost, they didn't judge who it was from, unlike you. I don't get the need in the current climate to nit pic, judge and condemn a gesture designed to give a struggling and already under pressure service a morale boost but each to their own.

Guess as a former teacher in the current situation you'd have gone on strike for not having the correct PPE?
 
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A nice morale boost. Let's see what the people do for these heroes in the next few years to see how many of them really meant it. Unfortunately I suspect most will go back to normal. I'll be delighted to be proved wrong

I think Alderman's post hit the nail on the head.

I laughed at the last comment. I went on strike for one day this century. It was in support of my colleagues having drastically reduced conditions put on their pension entitlements (similar to the changes in the police). As it happened I had already secured the full rights to the older system so it made no difference to me. I made myself worse off in support of my colleagues.
 
Just been out clapping on Lower Rainham Road. Full turnout on our section and there are a couple of seriously vulnerable ones. I felt at one with my tory neighbours for a few minutes. It may be to show appreciation for the NHS but I think it does good for the clappers too.
 
Just been out, turnout not half as good as last week. Guess the novelty has already worn off, or "did my bit last week". FFS. :cry:
 
jogills said:
Just been out clapping on Lower Rainham Road. Full turnout on our section and there are a couple of seriously vulnerable ones. I felt at one with my tory neighbours for a few minutes. It may be to show appreciation for the NHS but I think it does good for the clappers too.
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I was out clapping too, a small thing to do to thank the NHS for all their hard work and pressure they work under. It was a much better turn out than last week.
 
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