Bundesliga and Brexit

[Made in Wigan]

It's seems very unlikely at this stage that Mays Brino will get through Parliament, far too many compromises. Like removing a plaster the best plan is to just rip it off and experience momentary pain rather elongating the agony by dragging it out.

 

[BrickLatic]

Junkers Septeber State of the Union speach stated the agenda was to appoint an EU wide Chancellor as part of their goal to integrate further financially including things such as taxes. May's deal is potentially going to skip a pile of steps that the other EU countries haven't gone through yet and jump to the end destination where the EU has a say in domestic countries taxation decision making. Effectively Chequers give the EU more control over our tax system than the EU have over any EU state currently - it's madness and no one on either side of the Leave or Remain debate should be happy with such a crazy concession.

were talking abuot this a few weeks ago and a point were made. are nhs is compleetly paid for from a direct taxateon system. if the eu apoint an tax chancellor as you sey then they will have power over how we spend are taxes within uk. there are already eu rules abuot state ownership or interference in big busines i heer.

so the point were that when they see we spend £130billeon of tax money on are nhs then they cuold sey thats to much and you need to find another wey. eg we have to put a limit on it. that wey we spend sey £80billeon and have to find the rest privately. all them greeting over tory privatisateon of nhs wont of seen this coming. eu then gets a big chunk of the £50billeon in tax weve not spent. not daft eh.

but on topic. its good to heer the news abuot the pleyers.

 

[king_dezeeuw06]

The EU has no jurisdiction on personal or corporate tax rates now, in the past or in the future. So looks like "project fear" form the Brexit side

As i said the EU currently doesn't have jurisdiction on taxes, but that is the blocks ambition as they want closer fiscal union, so to say they will not in the future is like the suggestions that the EU army was 'a dangerous Brexiteer fantasy' pre referendum. Yet here we are it's got a 17b budget set aside, Macon said they need it to defend against countries including America (?!?), Junker says the plans are in place to have it fully operational by 2025 and Guy Verhofstadt saying all independent states military capabilites should be intergrated into the EU army.

The EU trying to negotiate unprecidented influence over our domestic tax policy has been widly reported in reccent weeks and the EU has openly said they could not sign up to any deal that would allow the UK to have any competative advantage. So if May gave them that and parliment were daft enough to vote it through it's a nailed on corp tax rise for clubs and businesses.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

I'll refrain from the Brexit debate, however the article is somewhat fantastical. Unless there is an explosion in wealth of the Bundeslliga clubs then they still wouldn't be able to afford the talent that PL clubs currently pay. The attraction of the PL is the 6 or so huge clubs that have worldwide appeal and its competitive nature. Regardless in amongst the negotiations I'm sure the government have assured the PL there would be exemptions on freedom of movement for footballers, given the relative few numbers and the impact they have on the economy. Perhaps the quoted source of the article should be concentrating his efforts on innovative ways of making the bundesliga more competitive considering its won by the same club every year.

3 teams have won the bundesliga in the last 10 yrs only 4 in the epl so not much of a difference really .

 

[Made in Wigan]

3 teams have won the bundesliga in the last 10 yrs only 4 in the epl so not much of a difference really .

True, but Bayern have won the last 6. I can't recall the last time a club retained the PL title without looking it up, maybe ten years ago? Good chance it'll happen this year but overall it's a far more open and competitive league with a greater number of clubs capable of winning it.

 

[Made in Wigan]

were talking abuot this a few weeks ago and a point were made. are nhs is compleetly paid for from a direct taxateon system. if the eu apoint an tax chancellor as you sey then they will have power over how we spend are taxes within uk. there are already eu rules abuot state ownership or interference in big busines i heer.

so the point were that when they see we spend £130billeon of tax money on are nhs then they cuold sey thats to much and you need to find another wey. eg we have to put a limit on it. that wey we spend sey £80billeon and have to find the rest privately. all them greeting over tory privatisateon of nhs wont of seen this coming. eu then gets a big chunk of the £50billeon in tax weve not spent. not daft eh.

but on topic. its good to heer the news abuot the pleyers.

I think the EU want total harmonisation and control on everything. It would be interesting to see the reaction of the EU lovers if we stayed and then they said the NHS would go and it would be standardised healthcare via insurance across the bloc. Or that welfare rates would be at the same level - and certainly not at the over generous rates we dish out. That would be a huge benefit for this country but cause outrage amongst the left.

 

[nottinghamlatic]

I think the EU want total harmonisation and control on everything. It would be interesting to see the reaction of the EU lovers if we stayed and then they said the NHS would go and it would be standardised healthcare via insurance across the bloc. Or that welfare rates would be at the same level - and certainly not at the over generous rates we dish out. That would be a huge benefit for this country but cause outrage amongst the left.

We pay the lowest State Pension in Europe at around £6000 per annum. Also, compared to Germany, France and the Scandinavian countries in particular, our welfare payments are low. Those countries also have bigger government spending than the UK. The NHS is more likely to be privatised out of the EU, especially with a Tory Government.

 

[Kenny Morris]

As i said the EU currently doesn't have jurisdiction on taxes, but that is the blocks ambition as they want closer fiscal union, so to say they will not in the future is like the suggestions that the EU army was 'a dangerous Brexiteer fantasy' pre referendum. Yet here we are it's got a 17b budget set aside, Macon said they need it to defend against countries including America (?!?), Junker says the plans are in place to have it fully operational by 2025 and Guy Verhofstadt saying all independent states military capabilites should be intergrated into the EU army.

The EU trying to negotiate unprecidented influence over our domestic tax policy has been widly reported in reccent weeks and the EU has openly said they could not sign up to any deal that would allow the UK to have any competative advantage. So if May gave them that and parliment were daft enough to vote it through it's a nailed on corp tax rise for clubs and businesses.

But that is in the Euro zone, which we are not part of and never will be.

 

[Kenny Morris]

I think the EU want total harmonisation and control on everything. It would be interesting to see the reaction of the EU lovers if we stayed and then they said the NHS would go and it would be standardised healthcare via insurance across the bloc. Or that welfare rates would be at the same level - and certainly not at the over generous rates we dish out. That would be a huge benefit for this country but cause outrage amongst the left.

Eurozone only not EU, they have no direct fiscal control over us

 

[Kenny Morris]

I think the EU want total harmonisation and control on everything. It would be interesting to see the reaction of the EU lovers if we stayed and then they said the NHS would go and it would be standardised healthcare via insurance across the bloc. Or that welfare rates would be at the same level - and certainly not at the over generous rates we dish out. That would be a huge benefit for this country but cause outrage amongst the left.

You may not describe benefits as "overly generous" if you had to live on them for reasons beyond your control. Do you consider pensions as "overly generous"/ They are classed as "benefits" as well

 

[Made in Wigan]

You may not describe benefits as "overly generous" if you had to live on them for reasons beyond your control. Do you consider pensions as "overly generous"/ They are classed as "benefits" as well

The welfare system should be used and was intended for short term crisis and I've no issue with that. Sadly they are that generous and are now seen as a lifestyle choice for many. Like heroin it's hard to ween people off them. Sadly the welfare state as it is now encourages fecklessness, lazyness, fraud, lack of independence etc. It's an absolute disgrace.

Private pensions aside, public sector ones are a form of deferred payment. State pensions are actually funded by NI contributions, so not exactly a completely 'free' handout. Unless of course you don't work and contribute bugger all so yes you are correct they are benefits to those who haven't earnt them.

 

[Kenny Morris]

The welfare system should be used and was intended for short term crisis and I've no issue with that. Sadly they are that generous and are now seen as a lifestyle choice for many. Like heroin it's hard to ween people off them. Sadly the welfare state as it is now encourages fecklessness, lazyness, fraud, lack of independence etc. It's an absolute disgrace.

Private pensions aside, public sector ones are a form of deferred payment. State pensions are actually funded by NI contributions, so not exactly a completely 'free' handout. Unless of course you don't work and contribute bugger all so yes you are correct they are benefits to those who haven't earnt them.

Spoken like a true uncaring I'm alright Jack Tory! Well done!
You have been hoodwinked by the Daily Mail that there are hoards of feckless people all over the country stealing your money. Yes there are some who work the system but 99% don't and wish they were in the fortunate position of being a Tory who doesn't need them.
State pensions are classed as a benefit and are included in the DWP figures when they tell us how much money is being wasted on these feckless people who should be thrown in the poor house.

 

[nottinghamlatic]

Spoken like a true uncaring I'm alright Jack Tory! Well done!
You have been hoodwinked by the Daily Mail that there are hoards of feckless people all over the country stealing your money. Yes there are some who work the system but 99% don't and wish they were in the fortunate position of being a Tory who doesn't need them.
State pensions are classed as a benefit and are included in the DWP figures when they tell us how much money is being wasted on these feckless people who should be thrown in the poor house.

The point being though Kenny is that even though the UK is supposedly the 6th biggest economy in the world, our welfare payments are amongst the lowest in the world. The consequence of this is that about 40% of workers in other UK have to exist on £12,500 or less per year, so many are forced to seek welfare payments. In fact, there are more people in jobs who have to claim welfare than those out of work.

 

[Made in Wigan]

Spoken like a true uncaring I'm alright Jack Tory! Well done!
You have been hoodwinked by the Daily Mail that there are hoards of feckless people all over the country stealing your money. Yes there are some who work the system but 99% don't and wish they were in the fortunate position of being a Tory who doesn't need them.
State pensions are classed as a benefit and are included in the DWP figures when they tell us how much money is being wasted on these feckless people who should be thrown in the poor house.

State pensions are part - key word part - self funded through NI, if you obviously work and pay NI that is. I'm more of a Telegraph man myself, though if you could provide a link to these Mail articles I would probably find them interesting. However I fail to see what is uncaring about recognising the value of the welfare system for help in short term crisis but recognising its misuse as a lifestyle choice by a large number of people who contribute jack all to society.

 

[king_dezeeuw06]

But that is in the Euro zone, which we are not part of and never will be.

They are trying negotiate us into accepting rules that they havent even managed to push on the Eurozone countries yet. The concession has nothing to do with being in the Euro or not - just about removing any potential competitive advantage we could take.

 

[Hampton]

Our welfare and benefits may not be the highest in europe but are the most readily accessible hence the huge influx of eastern european free movement incomers. Separately 8 out of 10 non EU economic migrants cant be wrong can they ? This is before Frau Merkels millions recieve German passports in 2 years time - wonder where they plan to move to under a continuance of FOM ?

 

[HudWiganFan]

Spoken like a true uncaring I'm alright Jack Tory! Well done!
You have been hoodwinked by the Daily Mail that there are hoards of feckless people all over the country stealing your money. Yes there are some who work the system but 99% don't and wish they were in the fortunate position of being a Tory who doesn't need them.
State pensions are classed as a benefit and are included in the DWP figures when they tell us how much money is being wastedooo on these feckless people who should be thrown in the poor house.

Indeed, 99% do not - I find it hard to believe anyone who uses the terms 'handouts', 'lifestyle choice' and 'lazy' to label benefit claimants have ever:

A) Witnessed or paid attention to the dehumanisation and shame benefit claimants are subject to on regular basis.

B) Actually talked to or socialised with anyone who has claimed benefits ever.

If they had, I'm sure they'd be less confident in carelessly throwing such terminology about. It's a shame that it would take some people to actually be in that unfortunate position themselves before they'd muster up even a modicum of empathy for their fellow human beings.

 

[Hampton]

Indeed, 99% do not - I find it hard to believe anyone who uses the terms 'handouts', 'lifestyle choice' and 'lazy' to label benefit claimants have ever:

A) Witnessed or paid attention to the dehumanisation and shame benefit claimants are subject to on regular basis.

B) Actually talked to or socialised with anyone who has claimed benefits ever.

If they had, I'm sure they'd be less confident in carelessly throwing such terminology about. It's a shame that it would take some people to actually be in that unfortunate position themselves before they'd muster up even a modicum of empathy for their fellow human beings.

Tell that to the good people of beech hill, marsh green, scholes, platt waz etc etc - it's a lifestyle choice with a little cash in hand if you can be bothered to top it up - don't kid yourself, its reality. I know i live there !

 

[Kenny Morris]

The point being though Kenny is that even though the UK is supposedly the 6th biggest economy in the world, our welfare payments are amongst the lowest in the world. The consequence of this is that about 40% of workers in other UK have to exist on £12,500 or less per year, so many are forced to seek welfare payments. In fact, there are more people in jobs who have to claim welfare than those out of work.

I fully agree with you, it's a disgrace. But yet some people still say they should not be entitled to them. Funnily enough the people saying that are people in well paid jobs who don't give a damn about others just so long as they are OK in their cosy little bubble

 

[Kenny Morris]

State pensions are part - key word part - self funded through NI, if you obviously work and pay NI that is. I'm more of a Telegraph man myself, though if you could provide a link to these Mail articles I would probably find them interesting. However I fail to see what is uncaring about recognising the value of the welfare system for help in short term crisis but recognising its misuse as a lifestyle choice by a large number of people who contribute jack all to society.

The thing is that you truly seem to believe that it is a large number of people who are stealing your money. Yes there are some and they should not be doing it, but the welfare budget is not as high as some would have you believe and as I said they always include state pensions when quoting it, which accounts for the lions share of it.