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Brexit poll

Brexit poll

  • No deal

    Votes: 11 17.5%

  • Boris's deal

    Votes: 20 31.7%

  • An amended (softer) deal

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • A confirmatory referendum (No deal, Parliament's majority deal or remain - transferable voting)

    Votes: 9 14.3%

  • Revoke and remain

    Votes: 21 33.3%
  • Total voters
    63
markinkent said:
Thought you were anti immigration ?


https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/migrat...25-foreign-population-in-switzerland/42412156
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I think it just goes to prove that migration actually can make a country more prosperous.I have spent a fair time in Switzerland over the last couple of decades. My wife has a long term friend who is Swiss.If fact my wife even speaks fluent Swiss German. Very similar to German I understand but there are many differences.
The fact is while the Swiss are the most diverse nation on earth with many different languages spoken as standard in certain areas.The Italian area apart they all use English,Swiss German and French to talk to each other .There is very little problem the fact that they have stayed without war of any kind since the middle ages is testimony to their togetherness.
 
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Jerryattrick said:
You do realise that we have unlimited migration to anywhere in the EU. Also unlimited and unrestricted job opportunities and settlement rights in all EU countries.
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Yes, I realise that but don't think that should happen either. As I have said previously, I do not see why the use of visas and work permits is such a problem.

Other EU countries should also have the right to decide who stays within their countries and that those that want to settle will contribute more than they take.

The other countries seem at present to happy to forgo that control which is fine. It is called choice.
 
GillsBluenose said:
Nobody realistically wants nil immigration. That is as bad as the unlimited immigration we have at present from the EU which gives them an unfair advantage over the rest of the world.
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As you are aware, the vast majority of EU workers return home after a year or two here; many of those from other parts of the globe will see immigration as a way to settle permanently in the UK - kind of ironic. More come from outside the EU now btw

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47400679
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Ultimately it comes down to the old misogynistic saying "give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, give a man a fishing rod and he can catch his own fish". Socialism is more about repeating the first part of the phrase while Tories are about trying to create conditions so everyone could get their hands on a fishing rod. Both sides care, but simply have different philosophy to deal with the issue.
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Perhaps another interpretation- There are limited fishing rods, and its an unequal free for all to see who gets them.

The Tories say those with fishing rods earned them so sod the rest.

centrists would ensure those with fishing rods shared some of the fish they catch with those without.

Socialists would make sure the government collected all caught fish to redistribute evenly - only to find most of them would be dead by the time this was organised!
 
GillsBluenose said:
How? by increasing the higher rate taxpayer threshold from £50k to £80k as Boris suggests?

The way to protect the homeless poor and unemployed is to elect a proper non-Blairite Labour government but not enough people care enough to do so.
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Government taxation policy is a separate issue to Brexit - which is exactly why we should not have an election to determine the latter. If we have to go back to the people it should be via a confirmatory referendum.
 
ThreeSixes said:
Can it be proved that Switzerland is more prosperous with immigration, than it would have been without?
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I thought the same.

Might very well be that migrants are attracted to Switzerland because of its wealth rather than contributing to its wealth.
 
Trashbat said:
Might very well be that migrants are attracted to Switzerland because of its wealth rather than contributing to its wealth.
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I don't think the Swiss will tolerate laggards of any type. There's a joke in Switzerland that there is no hanging around in the Country until you get to the 'Italian' cantons.
 
Trashbat said:
I thought the same.

Might very well be that migrants are attracted to Switzerland because of its wealth rather than contributing to its wealth.
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If that was the case there place at the top of the wealth league would be damaged.
The same as this country these people contribute to the wealth by paying taxes .As they are mainly youngish and working people the same as in this country they actually take very little out overall.Swiss prices are very high food stuffs are highly taxed for example so everyone pays taxes including migrants.
Incomes for Swiss nationals tend to be very high as they have a very highly trained home workforce. My wife's friend recently went back to study to be a teacher.She was a travel agent. Even before the training she speaks Swiss German,German,French and English to a very high standard. She is also a full qualified ski instructor. The Swiss government clearly encourage training throughout your life.Not sure if migrant workers would qualify for training courses which are heavily subsidised by government. But there are lower paid jobs in all societies.
 
I lived & worked in Switzerland during the 1980s ( & speak 3 of their 4 languages).
It is, of course, a very expensive country to visit; but if you are living there legally, it can be a very good place to be. However, the Swiss are generally super strict & unless things have changed, people working "on the black" don't get away with it for very long.
btw Wayne, there is only one Italian speaking canton in Switzerland - Tessin (Ticino) & I never heard that joke of yours before ?! .....
 
Gilles Lingam said:
I lived & worked in Switzerland during the 1980s ( & speak 3 of their 4 languages).
It is, of course, a very expensive country to visit; but if you are living there legally, it can be a very good place to be. However, the Swiss are generally super strict & unless things have changed, people working "on the black" don't get away with it for very long.
btw Wayne, there is only one Italian speaking canton in Switzerland - Tessin (Ticino) & I never heard that joke of yours before ?! .....
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It was probably the Italians that made the joke. There are quite a few 'Italians' in Milan with Swiss passports, who commute to the city daily. Traffic permtiing, I guess it's about an hour sort of via Malpensa.
 
That says that 60%, when asked, didn't say that they specifically want yet another referendum.
So, what's the point?
 
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