Brexit and all that shite ....

Made in Wigan said:
I rarely pop onto ‘off topic’ and thought this thread had been finalised. So I was surprised, although maybe I wasn’t, when I looked to see some moaning about teething difficulties re the fish supply chain. So thought I’d offer balance.

The UK government invested early with Astro Zeneca and the tie up with Oxford. They ordered vaccines in high numbers. The EU didn’t. A benefit of not being in the EU and handcuffed by their bureaucracy. Now we see an unsavoury row with the EU and AZ. Let’s not forget this Anglo-Swedish company, who has a French CEO, has moved at some speed to produce a vaccine and will be giving it away at cost to poor nations. Yet they rubbish the product, haven’t even approved it for use and wouldn’t back it for months. Now they have the temerity to demand supply is diverted from other countries who helped finance it to cover up for their own failures. It’s incredible really. A humbling apology to the company wouldn’t go amiss.
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I suppose if people still have grievances, they'll air them. Fish seems a reasonable one right now.

There's no doubt the UK stole a march on the EU. There's probably also some criticism due of the EU for their tardiness in a few aspects of this sad affair.

None of this though lets the UK off the hook for either
- screwing up our general handling of just about every other aspect of the pandemic, and
- setting us up for years of pain (fish is just the first on the list) due to it's lies about the implications of Brexit.
 
I think we’ve spent about 7 x more upfront, per capita, on vaccine development, production and procurement than the EU. This is our roadmap out of this pandemic and should we have been still stuck inside the EU would not have happened. Always pros and cons of Brexit and any change brings challenges to overcome, but undoubtedly a big benefit is being able to make these type of decisions free from EU interference.
 
Made in Wigan said:
This aged well 😂
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Firstly, if you like, I'll teach you the meaning of the word "probably". ;)

Secondly, and more to the point, you'll note that I'd only made one post since that, on tuesday, in support of DatM's fish lament. The posts yesterday and today are simply on here cos you posted your point on the wrong thread. :whist:

Thirdly, and finally, yep, I know, this is me, hanging on this line, but to be fair, the worm was fat and juicy! ............ :fish:

I'll now set up the new follow-on thread.
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Who'd ave thowt it?

"The Dutch, for example, have been monitoring Brexit ever since the referendum was called - it would appear the Dutch are not that impressed with the EU’s track record. And now, there are growing movements in France, Italy and Spain where anti-EU groups are teaming up to launch a joint manifesto against their countries’ membership to the European Union."

Taken from a Spanish newspaper.
 
moonay said:
All things being equal, I'd probably agree with you ........... but the fact that Johnson is an incompetent, egotistical, ignorant, arrogant, lying fuckwit probably mean that he'll only get through a fraction of that 10 years.

A tenner says he's out by end of 2021.......... for any of a number of reasons.
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So, not 22 months later, here we are, all of us knowing that it's utterly beyond belief how the PM is still in post ... and yet, is Mme Guillotine about to fall?

I've documented elsewhere lots of reasons why any other PM - any decent PM, any PM with an ounce of integrity - would have handed in their resignation well before now. However, the current incumbent lingers like a fart in a lift.

I've also said elsewhere, for good reason (in my opinion), that given the PM's complete separation from what is acceptable behaviour and standards, that I wouldn't be honouring this little wager. That was an understandable reaction to the sheer brazenness of a man, seemingly incapable of taking ownership or accountability for anything. Unlike the PM though, I'm an honest man, and (I hope) we all know that of course, I will stand by our wager.

But, as with all good Tics scenarios, things might be about to change right at the death. Of course, he's going to argue that it wasn't "a party". Of course, we suspect that he might argue that "the gathering" was permissible on crown property, and so broke no rules. Of course, we know that it's all lies, as evidenced by the rehearsal video, preparing for summat they knew they might get reamed for.

Always did like this old Moodys song .......

 
So ..... though he said there was no party, we now all know that at least 3 (almost certainly more) separate parties went ahead while we were supposed to be in lockdown, and therefore, he had to appoint a person of irrefutable repute to investigate these "gatherings" that weren't parties (even though his own team admitted they were parties) .................... and now, we find that the person of irrefutable repute HAD HIS OWN PARTY and is under investigation himself.

:rofl:

If this were a script, The Thick Of It would reject it for being too far fetched and unbelievable.

I suppose we should thank BJ though for providing such wonderful entertainment at this difficult time.
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Oh, feck me ...... it's rumoured that Frost's replacement as lead negotiator is going to be Liz "cheese, apples and pork markets" Truss.

That's this one .... FOR FECK's SAKE !!!

How many more are going to resign or be sacked for not delivering something that's unachievable ... as it was a lie ?!

 
Tenfut said:
The jury is still out for me. Those of us old enough may well remember the thick fog or "pea soupers" as they were known when every home had a coal fire, factories and power stations were belching out clouds of smoke. Their is little of that nowadays.
As for "Got to start somewhere" why pick the UK rather than China or one of the other faraway countries that produce far far more crap than we do. Even if the UK was completely carbon neutral with 100% clean air we can't put a fence in the sky to keep other countries crap out.

As for the attention seeking disruption in Bristol today I hope no-one in the middle of it all requires an ambulance or any medical assistance. Should anyone suffer because of this I am sure Greta will have a clear conscience.
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Any comment about farmers in foreign built tractors blocking the streets of London and stopped a blue light ambulance from driving through the tractor protest.

Farmers had to pay 100% inheritance tax before 1992.
 
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