Brexit and all that shite ....

ExiledViking said:
Yes, I know the 27 member countries are separate entities, and not all rules of the club are followed by every member country, but there is a basic core which they all have to abide by.
And my point still stands, if it was so easy to extricate ourselves from those rules, then we would have left the EU the day after The Referendum in 2016.
The reason why leaving has been so hard to do is because, no-one has dared to try to walk away before, therefore Article 50 was effectively untried & untested.
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The UK wants the benefits of the SEM without paying for them. The SEM is the bedrock of EU trade. You can't have your cake and eat it, I'm afraid. If we want peace and prosperity in Europe it comes at a price.
 
It’s been a needlessly long road, with tempers frayed at times - particularly on here. However we’ve got there and Boris has pulled through despite the numerous hurdles he’s had to face.

Merry Brexmas to one and all. Cheers gentlemen 🥂🍻
 
Made in Wigan said:
And still we wait....

It’s gonna be a busy Christmas for Francois and co.
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Can't wait to see him, Farage, and Cash & co explode at the concessions we've had to make.

To be honest with you, I've never been more happy about losing a bet ......... assuming of course that I have lost it.
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Well seed potatoes are banned - so wee krankie is gonna be even more mad 😂

Fear not Moonay, the’Star Chamber’ will do due diligence 😉
 
Made in Wigan said:
Fear not Moonay, the’Star Chamber’ will do due diligence 😉
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Given the timescales involved, there'll be less due diligence on this than the EFL with Choi ...........which makes it all the more worrying. It's a deal that no-one voted for, and probably no side is particularly happy with ........ though of course, that won't stop some (no names !) trying to show that we "won" more (battles !) than the EU did.

Quite depressing really.
 
It’s a negotiation. Neither side will have got all they wanted and I’ve no doubt for political reasons both will be claiming they’re happy with it. We’re out and the ERG need to remember that. 🎉🎉
 
Probably be my last post on this thread. No point whinging about this any more. Of course, that's not to say that we can't start another thread to discuss the relative performance of our national representatives in due course.

It's been a pleasure.......as has making this donation ....... :cheers:

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EDIT - Just remembered ......... we'll have to create a new thread to track the time until BJ jumps ship ....... or is pushed !
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Just to say that, as someone who has been totally committed to the EU project I feel hearbroken. It has benefited the UK, not just economically, but socially, culturally, educationally and environmentally, more than any politician in the UK has been willing to admit. It has provided peace and prosperity for the UK for decades. On a personal note, it has enabled me to meet my wife and have three half French kids. It has enabled me to gain two post grad degrees. To see an oaf like Johnson boast about some half baked deal and hear the elitist claptrap of people like Farage, Rees Mogg and Duncan Smith fills me with dread, and makes me fear the direction that the UK will take in the future. It is truly a terrifying prospect for anyone who is not one of the privileged, tax avoiding few. Well done, flag waving, Sun reading, xenophobic brexiters. What have you done?
 
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Well, brexiters.... are you beginning to see the light, yet? Workers' rights out the window, environmental protection going rapidly.... still, the British fish and their rich friends are happy. What have you done, you numpties?
 
Nottingham said:
Well, brexiters.... are you beginning to see the light, yet? Workers' rights out the window, environmental protection going rapidly.... still, the British fish and their rich friends are happy. What have you done, you numpties?
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Nottingham said:
Well, brexiters.... are you beginning to see the light, yet? Workers' rights out the window, environmental protection going rapidly.... still, the British fish and their rich friends are happy. What have you done, you numpties?
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Most have moved on mate, no point screaming in an empty chamber, you will make yourself I'll.
Last I saw the only effect of the cliff edge was a little turbulence getting stuff to NI and some ham and cheese sandwiches being confiscated in Holland.
Project fear = damp squib as most sensible folk knew it would be.
As for workers rights zero hours contracts are rife in the EU not much to worry about to keep up with that standard.
 
Hampton said:
Most have moved on mate, no point screaming in an empty chamber, you will make yourself I'll.
Last I saw the only effect of the cliff edge was a little turbulence getting stuff to NI and some ham and cheese sandwiches being confiscated in Holland.
Project fear = damp squib as most sensible folk knew it would be.
As for workers rights zero hours contracts are rife in the EU not much to worry about to keep up with that standard.
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Wait and see
 
I think it was the summer when there was hysteria about us declining to join the EU vaccine procurement scheme. Seems a very wise choice now. This EU bureaucratic beast decided it would act in the best interest of all members by sitting on its arse for months without entering into commercial agreements. Thankfully the UK government ignored the aforementioned hysteria and went it alone. Whilst jabs are going in British arms the EU leaders are being increasingly desperate demanding British vaccines go there instead. Which they won’t. In the grand scheme, what is more important, a few rotting fish or life saving vaccines?
 
You've posted this in the Brexit thread MiW, so not sure if you want to argue this from that point of view, or from a "handling of the pandemic" aspect. Let's presume it's the former.

Yep, there's no doubt that by being on our own, and being able to be singularly, but understandably (having made such a massive cock of everything) selfish, we've got ourselves to the front of the queue when it comes to gobbling up the vaccines. Just as well really.

This current crisis will hopefully go away (or at least become a manageable part of daily life) sometime soon ................................ not sure we can say that about the rotting fish though.
 
I rarely pop onto ‘off topic’ and thought this thread had been finalised. So I was surprised, although maybe I wasn’t, when I looked to see some moaning about teething difficulties re the fish supply chain. So thought I’d offer balance.

The UK government invested early with Astro Zeneca and the tie up with Oxford. They ordered vaccines in high numbers. The EU didn’t. A benefit of not being in the EU and handcuffed by their bureaucracy. Now we see an unsavoury row with the EU and AZ. Let’s not forget this Anglo-Swedish company, who has a French CEO, has moved at some speed to produce a vaccine and will be giving it away at cost to poor nations. Yet they rubbish the product, haven’t even approved it for use and wouldn’t back it for months. Now they have the temerity to demand supply is diverted from other countries who helped finance it to cover up for their own failures. It’s incredible really. A humbling apology to the company wouldn’t go amiss.
 
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