Aa Club we are truly ahead of our time

[Nobby_66]

Pinhead - 6/2/2018 12:15

Nobby_66 - 6/2/2018 09:46

Baghdad_Rob - 6/2/2018 08:14

Razorpound - 6/2/2018 08:07

So the anti-sex brigade has won. There will no longer be Grid Girls.

Instead they are replaced by children!! Starting them off early!!

It has occurred to me that having posted up some images of grid girls that there will be a few people who may complain I have posted up some softcore porn and will try to have me banned. I think I should be unbanned for another 20 minutes while the offended go find some tissues to clean themselves up first :71:

Rob, spot on mate hence my comment about hypocrisy

I've lost count of how many times I've turned up to the aftermath of a pub fight only to be pounced on and groped by pissed up frustrated housewives shouting "ooh, the strippers here". Perhaps we should do away with police officers as I might feel objectified. I honestly worry about where all this will end.

Where will it all end? I don't know perhaps with the idea that women parading about at sporting events purely for decoration is a bit outdated in 2018? Hasn't got much to do with how people behave on a drunken night out either has it.

Pinhead, if you read ALL my posts on the subject, you will see that I've never said there should be grid girls. I happen to think they're pointless but can see that they bring a certain amount of glamour to the event.
My point was that their income and career was taken from them BY MEN without consultation. Isn't that EXACTLY what women have been campaigning against (quite rightly) for years?
The more interviews I see with these women, the more it is apparent that they've all got the hump about it.
My story about the police strippers was a light hearted way of getting across that it's not only women who are objectified. It's no different to what went on at The Presidents Club but I think we've ALL agreed that that was out of order but it's alright to grab a coppers cock as it's just drunken high jinks?
As I've said, this board and the country in general stinks of hypocrisy at the moment. My point about porn is a classic example, men everywhere are paying copious amounts of lip service to the whole subject of equality and condemning conduct that is demeaning to women but most would have watched porn or sung "get your tits out for the lads" when a female copper walks past the Rainham End.
We all know that we still have some way to go before we see women as our absolute equals,( in my case based on the reasoning that there are things men can do but women generally can't and vice versa ) thing is, not many of us have the balls to admit it (pun intended).

 

[Baghdad_Rob]

PhilK66 - 6/2/2018 15:04

Comfort and performance my arse! Full slap make up and painted, often long, nails.

I have spoken to both my daughters on the subject of female athletes "performance attire". Both say they wouldn't be seen dead in it and one of them is a talented runner whilst they have no problem with pit lane attire or Palace cheerleaders.

The 1980s just called and asked if you could return the stereotype of women runners and wish to point out Florence Griffiths Joyner died in the 1990s of non-steroid related medical conditions.

The sort of tops that the elite women runners wear do have some performance benefits and will generally generate less wind related drag than even the best fitting technical t-shirts in the same way a swimmer in a pair of speedos will generate less drag in the water than someone wearing swimming trunks that look like giant Bermuda shorts.

I understand where the confusion is. The men wear genuine performance related attire not anything tight fitting that show off their assets. For example, I distinctly recall Linford Christie wearing practical running clothes and it wasn't clear if that racist stereotype about all black men having large wangers applied to him.

 

[nibbles]

The notion that anyone who has watched porn but doesn?t agree with grid girls is a hypocrite is a very poor one.
Porn has a place. Scantily clad women have a place. To believe that place isn?t to glamourise a mainstream sport does not add up to hypocrisy (a term that?s being bandied about incorrectly and far too frequently).

I look forward to seeing PhilK?s daughter winning Gold in her dungarees (though not in a pervy farmer kind of way).

 

[Baghdad_Rob]

Nobby_66 - 6/2/2018 15:16

Pinhead, if you read ALL my posts on the subject, you will see that I've never said there should be grid girls. I happen to think they're pointless but can see that they bring a certain amount of glamour to the event.

They aren't completely pointless and there is a reason why the role carried out by the grid girls existed and will continue to exist albeit carried out by children who presumably don't have to be paid.

As a driver you might know you are on the 5th row on the grid, but when you can't see the cars due to the hundreds of technicians, sponsors, TV crews then it is very easy to get lost. My brother used to marshal at places like Brands Hatch, Le Mans and a few others and the signs that are held up are a huge help to knowing how far down the start - finish line you are. And it isn't just the drivers. If you are Martin Brundle and you've been told to speak to a driver down the grid it is easier to locate the car you need. It isn't entirely about glamour as people think.

Even with the boxing there is a certain point of their presence. Once a few pints have been downed then it is very easy to lose track of the number of rounds already fought. I've known people to lose track even when sober.

 

[Baghdad_Rob]

nibbles - 6/2/2018 16:06

Porn has a place. Scantily clad women have a place.

The feminists whose campaigning lead to the ban would probably disagree with you. Unless it is gay male porn in which case that is perfectly fine and should be encouraged.

 

[MedwayModernist]

BDR - I don't know who you are, but you must be on a massive wind up.

 

[Nobby_66]

nibbles - 6/2/2018 16:06

The notion that anyone who has watched porn but doesn?t agree with grid girls is a hypocrite is a very poor one.
Porn has a place. Scantily clad women have a place. To believe that place isn?t to glamourise a mainstream sport does not add up to hypocrisy (a term that?s being bandied about incorrectly and far too frequently).

I look forward to seeing PhilK?s daughter winning Gold in her dungarees (though not in a pervy farmer kind of way).

Yeah, that would be interesting if not somewhat hindering :3:

My point about porn however is that most of it is degrading to women, I'm not going into detail on here, we're all adults and probably have all watched it but a huge majority of the acts shown involve almost ritual humiliation of the woman. A large percentage of the men on here and in the media (I'm guessing but would bet a large amount of money on) who are suddenly against women being demeaned will be regular viewers of such porn. The other point I made was that the porn industry is one of (if not THE) biggest industries in the world and it seems odd that, if we're all being so understanding of the plight of women, no one calling for it's banning. To me, that is my understanding ofhypocrisy .
Could it be that the women AND men that appear in it and produce it are, generally very well paid?

I'm totally with you in that both porn and scantily clad women OR men for that matter, all have a place in society if the participants are willing and not forced. The Presidents Club issue is something different altogether as these men crossed the line from looking to touching, I think we all agree on that

As for Baghdad Robs points about grid and ring girls, fair enough. I have no interest in either sport and don't watch them so I stand corrected, every day's a school day as they say

 

[nibbles]

Although BaghdadBob is unlikely to mean much of what he?s saying, it does highlight the unfortunate issue that some seem to want to make this a binary issue - that you?re either on one side (pervy men) or the other (rabid feminazis). I think this is where the ridiculous cries of hypocrisy from threatened men stem from.

Nobby did you really mean to say that you don?t view a woman as your equal!?

 

[PhilK66]

What a thoroughly nasty thing to say Nibbles about my daughter. The connotations are awful. Big loss of respect mate. Normally I value your posts.

 

[Rob_b100]

Baghdad_Rob - 6/2/2018 13:06


Below is a picture of F1 Grid Boys. It is unclear if their presence is seen as decoration or not, but the feminists didn't seem to have an issue with objectification of the male models. Of course, having removed the women then the jobs of the men must also be sacrificed for the common good. It would be deeply sexist if only men could be allowed to do the job even if it was the feminists who got the women banned in the first place.

The actual photo didn?t carry over as part of the quote, but you can picture it now.....

-Grid boys become the new norm,

-they continue doing a job they love, that pays handsomely and enables them to travel the world,

-In 10 years time feminists complain about the lack of ?Grid girls? and claim the area of F1 that handles the grid persons contract negotiations are sexist and demand equality.

-Grid girls return. Feminists, the sun, daily star and anyone else who can jump on the bandwagon claim a victory.



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[Razorpound]

Sorry, there are folk on here who need to get a real life.

 

[Baghdad_Rob]

nibbles - 6/2/2018 18:08

Although BaghdadBob is unlikely to mean much of what he?s saying, it does highlight the unfortunate issue that some seem to want to make this a binary issue - that you?re either on one side (pervy men) or the other (rabid feminazis). I think this is where the ridiculous cries of hypocrisy from threatened men stem from.

I never used the phrase feminazi as I was under the impression that it has been the common view within feminism through the generations that porn was degrading to women and should be banned. Or is that more modern opinion in feminism?

My comment about male gay porn if that was what you responding to was a reference to research from PornTube or PornPortal or a site like that did some research on what is the most common porn searched for by different democratics. So fr example grannie porn is most popular with 18-23 year old males if I recall. Male gay porn was the most common search for those who identified as feminists.

 

[nibbles]

I?d say stick to the porn Rob, you seem far more clued up about that than anything else.

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[Razorpound]

Out of interest Rob, how do you know about the sexual urges of the different age gropes, sorry - groups?

 

[Gills1958]

Phew, I thought I was alone for a while.

Nobby, have you ever committed a crime of any kind? Are you a hypocrite for now being a policeman? I'm not actually asking for a reply but just think about it.

I don't think these grid girls/walk on girls should br banned but I'm glad they are on the way out. As far as I know ( I stand to be corrected) it's that due to TV/commercial interests it is regarded as out of date. I'm pleased that using women as decoration at these events seems to have become outdated. I don't want men as decoration either. So lets move on.

I bet loads of men and some women were bemoaning the enfranchisement of (some) women 100 years ago today. Women getting the vote!! It's gone too far.

In answer to another poster re female Prime Ministers. Yes I am glad we've had women PM's (even though they are Tories). For less than a quarter of my lifetime we've had a woman PM. Wow, does that signal equality?

 

[Nobby_66]

nibbles - 6/2/2018 18:08

Although BaghdadBob is unlikely to mean much of what he?s saying, it does highlight the unfortunate issue that some seem to want to make this a binary issue - that you?re either on one side (pervy men) or the other (rabid feminazis). I think this is where the ridiculous cries of hypocrisy from threatened men stem from.

Nobby did you really mean to say that you don?t view a woman as your equal!?

I said "based on the reasoning that there are things men can do but women generally can't and vice versa"

I recognise that both genders can do things the other can't, therefore we are not, in all ways, equal.. Why do you assume that by saying we are not equal, it is meant in a derogatory way? Just because two things are not the same doesn't mean one is better than the other.
Stay with me here, but here is an example. To be a dog handler in the Police, part of the selection process is to do a long run (can't remember how long but it's a number of miles). You then have to lift your dog, a large German Shepherd, over a six foot wall before climbing over it yourself.
In Thames Valley (I think) a female PC took the test and failed when it came to the "dog lift". She later claimed that the male PCs had an unfair advantage as they were bigger and stronger than her. She went on to sue The Constabulary to the tune of 15k for sexual discrimination as she had less chance of passing because she was a woman. She, therefore, wasn't equal to her male colleagues. According to the ruling, the test must be made easier for women. Had she gone through with the new test she would have been paid exactly the same as the male officers. She is not equal to the others but gets paid the same as she does the same job as them, so equality in pay is acheived.

 

[Nobby_66]

Gills1958 - 6/2/2018 20:52

Phew, I thought I was alone for a while.

Nobby, have toubever commited a crime of any kind? Are you a hyppcrite for now bein a policeman? I'm not actually asking for a reply but just think about it.

I don't think these grid girls/walk on girls should br banned but I'm glad they are on the way out. As far as I know ( I stand to be corrected) it's that due to TV/commercial interests it is regarded as out of date. I'm pleased that using women as decoration at these events seems to have become outdated. I don't want men as decoration either. So lets move on.

I bet loads of men and some women were bemoaning the enfranchisement of (some) women 100 years ago today. Women getti g the vote!! It's gone too far.

Apart from maybe straying a couple of mph over a speed limit or two (which technically isn't a crime as there is no criminal conviction involved), no I haven't.......you?

 

[Rob_b100]

And 100


(Sorry couldn?t resist!)

 

[nibbles]

Nobby, the bit about some people not having the balls to admit it made it come across that way. It?s perfectly fine to state that men and women are not the same (they?re not the same!). I?d steer clear of saying they?re not equal though. This subject is so tricky that a slip of the tongue can be catastrophic!

I would have to agree with the female officer that the test did favour men (I?d be interested to know the respective pass rates for men and women). I?m sure women are generally more naturally blessed with certain other qualities (other than flirting with men, BaghdadBob) - did the testing process include anything that would favour women?

Another question, he said opening a can of worms, is whether the needs of the Police Force are better served by generally masculine qualities. I think most would agree that would be the case and therefore a test that does favour men wouldn?t necessarily be unfair. Personally I think female officers, sergeants, etc add a great deal to the police force but I?d never expect them to represent anything like 50% of it (the same for the Armed forces and fire service).

 

[Gills1958]

Nobby_66 - 6/2/2018 21:16

Gills1958 - 6/2/2018 20:52

Phew, I thought I was alone for a while.

Nobby, have toubever commited a crime of any kind? Are you a hyppcrite for now bein a policeman? I'm not actually asking for a reply but just think about it.

I don't think these grid girls/walk on girls should br banned but I'm glad they are on the way out. As far as I know ( I stand to be corrected) it's that due to TV/commercial interests it is regarded as out of date. I'm pleased that using women as decoration at these events seems to have become outdated. I don't want men as decoration either. So lets move on.

I bet loads of men and some women were bemoaning the enfranchisement of (some) women 100 years ago today. Women getti g the vote!! It's gone too far.

Apart from maybe straying a couple of mph over a speed limit or two (which technically isn't a crime as there is no criminal conviction involved), no I haven't.......you?

Blimey Nobby. Respect. Put yourself alongside Mother Theresa, Jesus and Ghandi. I've never met anyone whose only indiscretion was a minor speeding violation. I obviously mix with a load of wronguns here in Bromley.

I confess to petty crime as a youth, criminal damage on a minor level and theft (scrumping/obligatory sweets from Woolies). I'm obviously disqualified from commenting on crime now as I'd be a hypocrite otherwise.

Fair cop if you'll excuse the pun.