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What I find most hypocritical is that these sort of arguments are being had over the internet. The same medium where "objectified" images of women (and men for that matter) a lot stronger than that of grid girls and darts girls are abundant in pop ups if you are not seeking it, and could not be more freely available if you are seeking it.

An old mate of mine said show him someone who claims never to have looked at porn on his computer and he would show you a liar.

On a completely unrelated matter, I can't work out why my eyesight is failing me :91:
 
I can't watch porn as I find it demeaning to women and men. And in some special cases, chickens :12:
 
Oh and Max, if you feel the need to reply to that in some disgusted way, please bare in mine that that was a joke too :18:
 
chris who - 2/2/2018 17:06

While I have severe misgivings about bullying a Girl into wearing something she feels uncomfortable in for whatever reason.
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Why do you assume the model is being bullied?

What typcially happens is that the event organiser contacts a modelling agency and tells them they need so many models for so many days and the job detail. The agency then calls the models, tell them the brief and ask if they are interested. If they are then they book the job. If they aren't interested then the agency contacts the next person on the list. The models are well aware of the "uniform" and have the agency to turn down the job if they are uncomfortable.

I did hear one woman on the radio who said she was a former Grid Girl and she said the standing on the road with the board was the most wanted role. If you got lucky and was the person holding up the name tag of Lewis Hamilton then you would be certain of plenty of shots on TV and some girls got a boast to their bookings from that exposure in the aftermath.

 
GillsBluenose - 2/2/2018 17:52

What I find most hypocritical is that these sort of arguments are being had over the internet. The same medium where "objectified" images of women (and men for that matter) a lot stronger than that of grid girls and darts girls are abundant in pop ups if you are not seeking it, and could not be more freely available if you are seeking it.

An old mate of mine said show him someone who claims never to have looked at porn on his computer and he would show you a liar.

On a completely unrelated matter, I can't work out why my eyesight is failing me :91:
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I?m baffled by the seemingly widespread failure of people to understand what hypocrisy is.

What media can one
use to argue against chauvinism and objectification if the internet is off limits then?

Answers on a post card......
 
Baghdad_Rob - 2/2/2018 22:54

chris who - 2/2/2018 17:06

While I have severe misgivings about bullying a Girl into wearing something she feels uncomfortable in for whatever reason.
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Why do you assume the model is being bullied?

What typcially happens is that the event organiser contacts a modelling agency and tells them they need so many models for so many days and the job detail. The agency then calls the models, tell them the brief and ask if they are interested. If they are then they book the job. If they aren't interested then the agency contacts the next person on the list. The models are well aware of the "uniform" and have the agency to turn down the job if they are uncomfortable.

I did hear one woman on the radio who said she was a former Grid Girl and she said the standing on the road with the board was the most wanted role. If you got lucky and was the person holding up the name tag of Lewis Hamilton then you would be certain of plenty of shots on TV and some girls got a boast to their bookings from that exposure in the aftermath.
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I was talking about the general subject .Now not being a woman i don't know if this really affects others negatively or not so I am not going to argue for or against .However I am against any employees being pressed into wearing a garment or lack of garment .That they are not happy with .IE a bar where the owner manager opps for a more revealing uniform without asking the staff etc .
 
nibbles - 2/2/2018 23:37

I?m baffled by the seemingly widespread failure of people to understand what hypocrisy is.

What media can one
use to argue against chauvinism and objectification if the internet is off limits then?

Answers on a post card......
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I don't think either chauvinism or objectification are against the law per se. They represent a state of mind and a personal choice. I have no objection to hen parties where randy women drool over Chippendales if that's their bag, Those dancers choose their careers as do the grid girls. Many say they get a kick out of it and they certainly make a very generous living out of it.

Predatory behaviour and sexual assault are against the law and are abhorrent but I believe the sisterhood are taking the opportunity to unfairly demonise men generally.

If you saw the Oscars you will have observed all those actresses standing shoulder to shoulder in a general attack on men. Now what do you think will happen the next time they are in competition with each other for the same part? Of course, all of those brave souls would never have ever heard the word "Casting couch" which has been around since the days of Marilyn Monroe, because if they had at least one of their strong band would have taken a stand against it before.

Regarding financial equality. had you ever heard of Carrie Gracie before a month ago? I can honesty say I had not but I had seen reports from Jon Sopel on a regular basis. Yet, apparently they do exactly the same job. Could, perhaps, there be less stories reported from China? Just a thought.

If things carry on the way they are, I predict that the population will reduce substantially when the only remaining erotic stimulation helping us menfolk to perform will be pictures of female lab assistants in white coats and publications of Women Atom Splitters Monthly, Presumably, that is what will be handed to men in the infertility clinics of the future.

Many women I know including my partner agree that it has already gone too far and can only see it getting worse. IMHO if things carry on the same way, women with suffer as much as men, The darts and grid girls are just the start.

 
GillsBluenose - 3/2/2018 09:55

nibbles - 2/2/2018 23:37

I?m baffled by the seemingly widespread failure of people to understand what hypocrisy is.

What media can one
use to argue against chauvinism and objectification if the internet is off limits then?

Answers on a post card......
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I don't think either chauvinism or objectification are against the law per se. They represent a state of mind and a personal choice. I have no objection to hen parties where randy women drool over Chippendales if that's their bag, Those dancers choose their careers as do the grid girls. Many say they get a kick out of it and they certainly make a very generous living out of it.

Predatory behaviour and sexual assault are against the law and are abhorrent but I believe the sisterhood are taking the opportunity to unfairly demonise men generally.

If you saw the Oscars you will have observed all those actresses standing shoulder to shoulder in a general attack on men. Now what do you think will happen the next time they are in competition with each other for the same part? Of course, all of those brave souls would never have ever heard the word "Casting couch" which has been around since the days of Marilyn Monroe, because if they had at least one of their strong band would have taken a stand against it before.

Regarding financial equality. had you ever heard of Carrie Gracie before a month ago? I can honesty say I had not but I had seen reports from Jon Sopel on a regular basis. Yet, apparently they do exactly the same job. Could, perhaps, there be less stories reported from China? Just a thought.

If things carry on the way they are, I predict that the population will reduce substantially when the only remaining erotic stimulation helping us menfolk to perform will be pictures of female lab assistants in white coats and publications of Women Atom Splitters Monthly, Presumably, that is what will be handed to men in the infertility clinics of the future.

Many women I know including my partner agree that it has already gone too far and can only see it getting worse. IMHO if things carry on the same way, women with suffer as much as men, The darts and grid girls are just the start.
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Lots of words. None of which address the point I?ve made.
 
nibbles - 3/2/2018 10:11

Lots of words. None of which address the point I?ve made.
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Not seeking to address it. Your point was well made and I salute you for it. I trust you respect everyone else's right to have a viewpoint as well.

Interesting that one of the synonyms for hypocrisy is sanctimony :91:
 
GillsBluenose - 3/2/2018 09:55

nibbles - 2/2/2018 23:37

I?m baffled by the seemingly widespread failure of people to understand what hypocrisy is.

What media can one
use to argue against chauvinism and objectification if the internet is off limits then?

Answers on a post card......
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Many women I know including my partner agree that it has already gone too far and can only see it getting worse. IMHO if things carry on the same way, women with suffer as much as men, The darts and grid girls are just the start.
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They already are - big rise in retirement age for women and my other half is not ahppy
 
First they took the darts girls and I did not speak out.

Then they took the grid girls and I did not speak out.

Then they took the Weather Girls, and only then did I speak out because I'm a fat middle-aged **** who has no idea or experience of being on the wrong end of sexual discrimination, and therefore ought to shut his fucking trap.
 
Alderman Barnes - 3/2/2018 19:20

First they took the darts girls and I did not speak out.

Then they took the grid girls and I did not speak out.

Then they took the Weather Girls, and only then did I speak out because I'm a fat middle-aged **** who has no idea or experience of being on the wrong end of sexual discrimination, and therefore ought to shut his fucking trap.
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I predict that in 20 years' time we will look back on grid girls and walk on girls in the same way that most if us now think that stuff we thought was funny/acceptable in the 60/70's is now outdated and cringeworrthy. The series of programmes recently re "It was alright in the 60's/70's" comes to mind.

We are about to.celebrate the centenary if the first ( limited) female suffrage. I've no doubt men thought it was PC gone too far at the time there was a caamlaign groip of women against having the vote!
 
Alderman Barnes - 3/2/2018 19:20

I'm a fat middle-aged **** who has no idea or experience of being on the wrong end of sexual discrimination, and therefore ought to shut his fucking trap.
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Serious question but is sexual discrimination a women only thing?
 
Baghdad_Rob - 3/2/2018 22:25

Alderman Barnes - 3/2/2018 19:20

I'm a fat middle-aged **** who has no idea or experience of being on the wrong end of sexual discrimination, and therefore ought to shut his fucking trap.
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Serious question but is sexual discrimination a women only thing?
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No. There are some rare circumstances where men are discriminated against and that is obviously wrong too. Feminists don't support that either. Custody battles come to mind where women are assumed to be better. However, in my experience, discrimination is overwhelmingly against women.

Men, don't be afraid of feminists. They just want fairness. If you are scared of them then you don't seem to want the competition.

I want my daughter to have the same opportunities as my son, that's all. As society is structured and run at the moment it is clear she doesn't. She can prosper but, as with class system, on average, it's harder.
 
The issue for me is about people with no involvement in an industry/job etc, deciding that it isn't acceptable for those that are. Normally without any discussion with those in the industry.

Sex sells. Watch adverts for perfume or aftershave. scantily clad men and women. I personally don't have an issue with it. People are free to do what they want to do. Or should be. They are not hurting anyone. They are basically selling a fantasy. The vast majority of the population are sensible enough to understand it for what it is.

There are 2 main problems here:

i) people being offended on someone else's behalf, when that person is not offended.

ii) men who think it is ok to harass, grope or abuse women based on the way they look/dress

Like most men I like to see pretty girls. But I look and move on. I don't think it gives me the right to touch.

My Mrs likes to see nice looking guys. She also doesn't think she has the right to touch.

That's because like the majority of the population we aren't scumbags. Deal with the scumbags, and stop blaming everyone else. Removing so called 'grid girls' is not tackling the root of the issue. It won't stop a scumbag being a scumbag.

Everyone is so busy being offended by everything, rather than talking to the people they are offended for. People like this are listened to far too much in our society nowadays.

There's far worse things going on in this country and the world.

At the end of the day these girls are doing this job through choice. They aren't forced, and earn quite handsomely from it. Why can't they use their looks and bodies to earn good money if that's what they want to do? I have been talking elsewhere on this subject with someone who does this sort of job. She has a degree, but this is what she chooses to do. She is worried there will be less work for her now. And there will now be less jobs through the various agencies, and some people will lose their jobs.

For me the whole thing is ridiculous.
 
You just don't get it Roger, do you. I've tried my (inadequate) best so I'll give up now. In 20 years time see how people view these issues.

By way of analogy I suppose my mate in his council job who has closed down some rogue landlords is to blame for making people homeless.

Re being offended on behalf of other people I refer you to the infamous sketch in the brilliant series "The Office".

Finaally, I wouldn't "ban" these "jobs" but I'm glad they seem to be withering away.

UTG.
 
Freeway:
>>what says more about our society are facts such as the continual rise in the numbers of homeless, and the number of children classified as living in poverty.<<

Agreed - sort of:
The ?continual rise in homeless ? tells us that we shouldn't be surprised that after millions of new people arrive in the country at a rate faster than the building of new homes, schools, hopsitals, roads etc - that number of people homeless will rise.

It should also tell us that those advocating large-scale immigration (for cheap labour or whatever) should accept responsibility and not close down discussion about migration.


The number of children classifed as ?living in poverty? ...
.. should tell us that the ?classification? is wrong and needs to be changed.
Poverty? is defined as ?below 2/3rds median income?.
Any mathematician will tell you that this number will remain roughly constant.
Moreover - if the population increases (as it has done recently) - the absolute number in so-called ?poverty? will rise too.
It's a mathematical ?certainty? !

We know, that, compared to millions (billions?) worldwide, real child poverty - lack of home, food, warm clothing etc - in the UK is neglible.

In the 1960's a Professor (London School of Economics ?) invented ?relative poverty? - so that there would always be a proportion of people defined as ?in poverty?.
This would ensure that the poverty campaigners would always have some statistics to back up their campaign.
?Relative? poverty also allows bureaucrats to justify large welfare departments and higher taxes.

The underline the nonsense of relative poverty .....
Take the 10 households in Richy-Rich Street....
9 out of 10 household have a new super-car every year and a private yacht each.
The 10th household has 5 year old Mercedes and a share in a small boat on the Medway.
Under the definition used by ?poverty? campaigners, that 10th household is in ?poverty?....
.... which of course is absolute nonsense !
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