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Razorpound - 6/2/2018 08:07

So the anti-sex brigade has won. There will no longer be Grid Girls.

Instead they are replaced by children!! Starting them off early!!
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It has occurred to me that having posted up some images of grid girls that there will be a few people who may complain I have posted up some softcore porn and will try to have me banned. I think I should be unbanned for another 20 minutes while the offended go find some tissues to clean themselves up first :71:
 
They?re holding up the marks they?ve been given for their looks out of twenty. How anyone can defend this is beyond me!
 
Baghdad_Rob - 6/2/2018 08:14

Razorpound - 6/2/2018 08:07

So the anti-sex brigade has won. There will no longer be Grid Girls.

Instead they are replaced by children!! Starting them off early!!
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It has occurred to me that having posted up some images of grid girls that there will be a few people who may complain I have posted up some softcore porn and will try to have me banned. I think I should be unbanned for another 20 minutes while the offended go find some tissues to clean themselves up first :71:
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Rob, spot on mate hence my comment about hypocrisy

I've lost count of how many times I've turned up to the aftermath of a pub fight only to be pounced on and groped by pissed up frustrated housewives shouting "ooh, the strippers here". Perhaps we should do away with police officers as I might feel objectified. I honestly worry about where all this will end.
 
Well it is your own fault Nobby for having a body like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime.

I think the problem is that the assumption is that all men are like Harvey Weinstein and all men are sexual predators in essence.

I didn't post it in the end but I was going to post something very much on the edge of trolling that we should just ban women for working full stop. The reasons being:

a) We should ban women from being salespeople as the common technique is to lightly flirt in order to make the customer feel better than themselves as this makes people, especially men, more subjectable to buying. It is wrong to allow women to objectify themselves.

b) We should ban women from the police force, or nursing or anything else that has a uniform where there is a sexed up version sold by fancy dress shops because some men have fantasies about women in uniform and it is wrong to put women in a position where a man might look at her that way.

c) As per above but for all those female office cleaners. True, they don't wear French maid uniforms but since a lot of them seem to be foreign nationals, I am sure there are lot of men who'd like to take advantage of them. Hence we need to ban female cleaners to stop them being objectified by someone with a niche fetish.

d) We should ban women from being managers or any other positions of responsibility as some men like the idea of being dominated by a female boss and it would be immoral for women to be placed in a role where they might be objectified by men into that sort of thing (aka male feminists :56: )

 
"Well it is your own fault Nobby for having a body like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime" :3:
 
Nobby_66 - 6/2/2018 09:46

Baghdad_Rob - 6/2/2018 08:14

Razorpound - 6/2/2018 08:07

So the anti-sex brigade has won. There will no longer be Grid Girls.

Instead they are replaced by children!! Starting them off early!!
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It has occurred to me that having posted up some images of grid girls that there will be a few people who may complain I have posted up some softcore porn and will try to have me banned. I think I should be unbanned for another 20 minutes while the offended go find some tissues to clean themselves up first :71:
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Rob, spot on mate hence my comment about hypocrisy

I've lost count of how many times I've turned up to the aftermath of a pub fight only to be pounced on and groped by pissed up frustrated housewives shouting "ooh, the strippers here". Perhaps we should do away with police officers as I might feel objectified. I honestly worry about where all this will end.
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Where will it all end? I don't know perhaps with the idea that women parading about at sporting events purely for decoration is a bit outdated in 2018? Hasn't got much to do with how people behave on a drunken night out either has it.
 
Pinhead - 6/2/2018 12:15

Where will it all end? I don't know perhaps with the idea that women parading about at sporting events purely for decoration is a bit outdated in 2018?
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But here is the ironic bit about it all. Those of us who don't have an issue with the girls don't view them as being there for decoration and see modelling as an acceptable job. It is those who object who view them as decoration which is the reason for banning them.

Below is a picture of F1 Grid Boys. It is unclear if their presence is seen as decoration or not, but the feminists didn't seem to have an issue with objectification of the male models. Of course, having removed the women then the jobs of the men must also be sacrificed for the common good. It would be deeply sexist if only men could be allowed to do the job even if it was the feminists who got the women banned in the first place.
 

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This debate has precisely nothing to do with good guys and bad guys (guys as a gender neutral term),. It is about the imbalance of power between men and women that has built up over millenia and is now beginning to be addressed.

ThreeSixes wrote:

"I have a teenage daughter and 2 teenage sons. My daughter has more opportunities than my sons do. She can get a job or go to University, but she can also have a child and get a free council house, or get married and become a housewife.

There are more women than men in University, and there are extensive laws to stop sexual discrimination in the workplace. Men earn more on average than women, but there are reasons for this that aren't sexual discrimination, your daughter will have every chance of earning the same as her male peers."

His original assertion that his daughter has more opportunities than his soins is I believe demonstrably false. The additional "freedoms", which he ascribes to her are equally avalable to his sons. They can have as many children as they can persuade women to bear (a slight advantage), they can elect to look after them and apply for social housing (note that we lost nearly 250,000 social rent homes last year), his sons are free to marry and become househusbands. I note that few men take these options.

On the other hand any daughter that does find social housing and is looking after her child, presumably abandoned by the father, had better be careful of any future partners. Statistically they present a threat to her home, her finances and potentially her life.

Women do outnumber men in universities now yet men continue earn more afterwards. That's not because men are nasty and women are weak it's because of an imbalance of power. It doesn't really matter if anyone gets it or not because change is underway and will continue. I only chose ThreeSixes post because I thought it chimed with what many thought. I find many other posts more wrongheaded and objectionable.


 
Pinhead - 6/2/2018 12:15

Nobby_66 - 6/2/2018 09:46

Baghdad_Rob - 6/2/2018 08:14

Razorpound - 6/2/2018 08:07

So the anti-sex brigade has won. There will no longer be Grid Girls.

Instead they are replaced by children!! Starting them off early!!
Click to expand...

It has occurred to me that having posted up some images of grid girls that there will be a few people who may complain I have posted up some softcore porn and will try to have me banned. I think I should be unbanned for another 20 minutes while the offended go find some tissues to clean themselves up first :71:
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Rob, spot on mate hence my comment about hypocrisy

I've lost count of how many times I've turned up to the aftermath of a pub fight only to be pounced on and groped by pissed up frustrated housewives shouting "ooh, the strippers here". Perhaps we should do away with police officers as I might feel objectified. I honestly worry about where all this will end.
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Where will it all end? I don't know perhaps with the idea that women parading about at sporting events purely for decoration is a bit outdated in 2018? Hasn't got much to do with how people behave on a drunken night out either has it.
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Very well said, the way people have been talking you could be forgiven for believing this 'ban' on grid girls and walk-on girls was coming from the state. I've seen comments suggesting that people from outside the industry should mind their own business when the decisions have been made from within those industries.
 
jogills - 6/2/2018 13:18

Women do outnumber men in universities now yet men continue earn more afterwards. That's not because men are nasty and women are weak it's because of an imbalance of power.
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It is because statistically men are more likely to study STEM and other degrees which tend to have a high paid job at the end of it, whereas women are statistically more likely to study degrees where the end job is naturally lower paid like in nursing or a degree that is often dismissed as arsty-fartsy.

The difference is nothing to do with gender but the typical decisions made by men and women.
 
nibbles - 6/2/2018 13:37

Very well said, the way people have been talking you could be forgiven for believing this 'ban' on grid girls and walk-on girls was coming from the state. I've seen comments suggesting that people from outside the industry should mind their own business when the decisions have been made from within those industries.
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The decision was made within after pressure from outside. The bosses didn't suddenly wake up one morning, experience some sort of moment of enlightenment and change the policy.

The comments about people outside should mind their own business is aimed that those who have no interest in the sports but feel the need to influence regardless. The overwhelming opinion of people who actually go to these sports seems to be in defence of the girls staying.
 
The typical decisions taken by men are to pay themselves more. In medicine and the legal profession, in boardrooms and anywhere else they have the power and the majority.
 
The hypocrisy around this whole topic is amazing.

Let's take athletics as an example. The outfits worn by female athletes are considerably more revealing than those worn by pit lane or darts girls. And why? Because these ladies know that endorsement and advertising opportunities can be had. They chose to do it.
 
jogills - 6/2/2018 13:18


Women do outnumber men in universities now yet men continue earn more afterwards. That's not because men are nasty and women are weak it's because of an imbalance of power. It doesn't really matter if anyone gets it or not because change is underway and will continue. I only chose ThreeSixes post because I thought it chimed with what many thought. I find many other posts more wrongheaded and objectionable.
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I disagree with that. "Men" may earn more than "women", but there is no reason why a 20 year old woman doing a medicine degree will earn less than a 20 year old man earning a medicine degree. They have the same opportunities, and all things being equal will earn the same.

Men on average will earn more than women, but that is for a number of reasons. Firstly men are "providers" so will be motivated to earn more, to get a "mate" and to maintain a family. Secondly, "male" jobs earn more than "female" ones. A 16 year old boy leaving comprehensive without qualifications will work as a mechanic, a builder, a soldier, a dustman. A 16 year old girl leaving comprehensive will work as a beautician, a healthcare assistant, a childminder or a hairdresser. The market rates for the male jobs are higher, there's nothing to stop girls doing those jobs, but they don't want to.

Finally, some women (mothers / housewife / retirees), might just want a lower paid cashier job for something to do, or to get holiday money. None of this is sexism.

There are exceptions to the rule (e.g. BBC presenters), but they are rare, and not relevant to mine or Gills1958's daughters.
 
PhilK66 - 6/2/2018 14:39

Let's take athletics as an example. The outfits worn by female athletes are considerably more revealing than those worn by pit lane or darts girls. And why? Because these ladies know that endorsement and advertising opportunities can be had. They chose to do it.
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That's nonsense, sorry. Female athletes wear their outfits for performance, not for "titillation" of men
 
Don't be silly Phil athletes choose outfits for comfort and performance. Some of them are so competitive that they are prepared to soil themselves rather than give way, glamour is lower down and anyway in the eye of the beholder.
 
Comfort and performance my arse! Full slap make up and painted, often long, nails. Anyway I have had my say having kicked off a thread to do with our Club but unfortunately it has led to a stream of lengthy proclamations by the PC brigade.

I have spoken to both my daughters on the subject of female athletes "performance attire". Both say they wouldn't be seen dead in it and one of them is a talented runner whilst they have no problem with pit lane attire or Palace cheerleaders.
 
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