Genuine question - when is the last time England played with passion, showed fight and bravery?
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Well done Scotland (hope you've done the right thing and paid up T&C)- Clarke had Southgate on toast tactically - honestly believe the England players are being placed in straight jackets because they are way way better than that - whenever did you see James be so timid and negative in a latics shirt as an example.
That said the Scottish celebrations at the end were on a par with Barnsley celebrating the fake escape or Blackburn on coming second in L1 - embarrassing
I say this from a neutral (Welsh), stand point, but this is the systematic failure of English football. Having watched the Martinez documentary, it's clear that the whole of Belgium has bought into his long term project (I think they even mentioned 2026 as their target year). They expect some immediate, relative success, but they're happy to understand the peaks and troughs of football and that it all works towards a bigger picture. England are world beaters one minute and garbage the next - Kalvin Phillips being a prime example of hero to zero mentality. These young kids with the big and exciting future gave everyone hope in 2018. They've been given 3 years and 1 tournament before being written off. At least give them the benefit of the next world cup.
As far as the game goes, it was drab with limited quality shown. Scotland worked hard and actually played some decent stuff. England's love of holding midfielders and refusal to take risks didn't allow them to find that extra kick that they needed to put Scotland on the back foot
I say this from a neutral (Welsh), stand point, but this is the systematic failure of English football. Having watched the Martinez documentary, it's clear that the whole of Belgium has bought into his long term project (I think they even mentioned 2026 as their target year). They expect some immediate, relative success, but they're happy to understand the peaks and troughs of football and that it all works towards a bigger picture. England are world beaters one minute and garbage the next - Kalvin Phillips being a prime example of hero to zero mentality. These young kids with the big and exciting future gave everyone hope in 2018. They've been given 3 years and 1 tournament before being written off. At least give them the benefit of the next world cup.
As far as the game goes, it was drab with limited quality shown. Scotland worked hard and actually played some decent stuff. England's love of holding midfielders and refusal to take risks didn't allow them to find that extra kick that they needed to put Scotland on the back foot
Very fair point Jock- personally never bought the coming home bollocks not since 96 when it was a real potential.Embarrassing it may well be Hampton but when media outlets, pundits n fans are saying 'we should be beating the likes of Scotland' or automatically assuming it's 3 points in the bag & onto the next game with scant regard to the opposition then we will always celebrate any small kind of result over England.
In the same way we slag off the likes of City / Utd/ Liverpool for never giving little ole Wigan any respect, a fair majority of England supporters / MEDIA etc do the exact same.....I mean you will no doubt get out of the group, you may then get a good result from your next opponents which will once again see the 'it's coming home' frenzy & attitude of how great you are with barely a mention to your opposition.....
Embarrassing it may well be Hampton but when media outlets, pundits n fans are saying 'we should be beating the likes of Scotland' or automatically assuming it's 3 points in the bag & onto the next game with scant regard to the opposition then we will always celebrate any small kind of result over England.
In the same way we slag off the likes of City / Utd/ Liverpool for never giving little ole Wigan any respect, a fair majority of England supporters / MEDIA etc do the exact same.....I mean you will no doubt get out of the group, you may then get a good result from your next opponents which will once again see the 'it's coming home' frenzy & attitude of how great you are with barely a mention to your opposition.....
But why do the media talk like this about England? The overpaid posers have failed over and over again? Especially last night, why on earth would the media expect anything more than what they saw? Only real difference in why they should expect more from an England side than a Scotland side is that the English have more players to choose from.Embarrassing it may well be Hampton but when media outlets, pundits n fans are saying 'we should be beating the likes of Scotland' or automatically assuming it's 3 points in the bag & onto the next game with scant regard to the opposition then we will always celebrate any small kind of result over England.
In the same way we slag off the likes of City / Utd/ Liverpool for never giving little ole Wigan any respect, a fair majority of England supporters / MEDIA etc do the exact same.....I mean you will no doubt get out of the group, you may then get a good result from your next opponents which will once again see the 'it's coming home' frenzy & attitude of how great you are with barely a mention to your opposition.....
To be fair Jock if you compare the squads with a neutral head then there’s probably only two or three Robertson, McGinn for sure who would force their way into the England squad. As such when analysing any game realistically the better players should win (accepting there’s far more to it than that).
There’s no problem with believing we’ll win a tournament but any realistic England fan knows there are 5 or 6 better teams and it won’t happen. I don’t see a frenzy in that regard and the pundits I have seen were equally as angry with that piss poor display as any fan. England generally fall to pieces at major tournaments such as France five years ago, Brazil seven years back and we do under achieve. Bottom line we are mediocre, lack technical ability, don’t have a winning mentality, are paralysed with fear when it matters and are hamstring further at present by such an uninspiring manager more interested in outside issues than he is kicking players up the backside and motivating them. There’s been some shocking performances over the years that are eventually forgotten, that diabolical effort last night won’t be, it was an embarrassment. You cannot oversee a performance like that against the country’s oldest rival in such a big game and expect to stay on so Southgate should be sacked or have the dignity to resign once we exit in the next round as there’s no coming back from that.
Agree with u there n perhaps you are a tad kind on our players who cud make it into the England squad....perhaps Robertson being the only one imo. If we had similar talent at our disposal that England have I'm sure we'd do so much better but alas we will always been choosing from a very small pool...unlike yourselves who have an Olympic size pool to pick from.
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No need to Jock, i threw down the gauntlet, gave you the draw and i lost. No hard feelings from me, i hope the same from you when you men are turfed out of the competition on Tuesday.
Very Cook like is Southgate.If the English players, played with half the passion and with the attitude of the Scottish players, we might have a chance.
I honestly can't remember seeing a team as dull, boring and negative as England in this tournament so far.
Re-start watching England & you'll answer your own question.Genuine question - when is the last time England played with passion, showed fight and bravery?
One average England game. We’ve not beaten an elite side at a major tournament since 2002. We’re a country of losers when it comes to football. It’s in our DNA both players and fans. When you consider the money at our disposal it’s an absolute disgrace to be honest.Typical Wigan supporters - one average England game & it is all doom and gloom.