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EU strategy to destroy the Chequers ‘agreement’...

Rees Mogg's a ****. He and his pals (yes he knew) moved huge chunks of his business out of the UK to the EU (ROI). And it's a pretty safe bet to say that we'll see the benefits of Brexit in 20, 30 or 50 years. By that, he sort of implying - in fact he just about said it on occasions - there is likely to be hardship in the short-term but is he worried? I doubt it; plus, he said that long before the pandemic, which will see a huge leap in unemployment consequent upon many businesses going to the wall.
 
Wayne.Kerr said:
Rees Mogg's a ****. He and his pals (yes he knew) moved huge chunks of his business out of the UK to the EU (ROI). And it's a pretty safe bet to say that we'll see the benefits of Brexit in 20, 30 or 50 years. By that, he sort of implying - in fact he just about said it on occasions - there is likely to be hardship in the short-term but is he worried? I doubt it; plus, he said that long before the pandemic, which will see a huge leap in unemployment consequent upon many businesses going to the wall.
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Oh dear ..... repeating another anti-Brexit non-story.:(

Companies set up new subsidiaries all the time - sometime to take advantage of different tax or regulatory regimes.

In the case of Fund Managers, it is often large investors that ask for a different domicile for their investments.

So it wasn't Somerset Capital that "moved chunks of its business ...to RoI" so much as some of its clients saying they wanted their assets to stay inside the EU.
So Somerset Capital complied with their request.

By all means observe that those investors worried about Brexit (believed the scare stories).

But then so did Lloyds of London - which has set up a Brussels subsidiary - to book EU insurance business.

But guess where the actual "risk" will be off-loaded to .......(and if priced correctly, profited from).
 
valenciagill said:
Here's the website , look for yourself and save money 😃

https://daystobrexit.co.uk/
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You mean you are so obsessed with brexit that you need to look at a website to remind you?
Most people have excepted this and dont ever want to hear of it again including normal people who voted brexit. Those people also know xmas is coming at the end of the year but don't need to look it up every day lol.
 
Jerryattrick said:
You mean you are so obsessed with brexit that you need to look at a website to remind you?
Most people have excepted this and dont ever want to hear of it again including normal people who voted brexit. Those people also know xmas is coming at the end of the year but don't need to look it up every day lol.
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You're oobviously not on FB, where some people constantly post how many weeks/days till Christmas lol
 
shotshy said:
He’s cried foul over Brexit since day one when in fact it’s nothing to do with him.
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I think that's the biggest misunderstanding of all. It affects Brits living in the EU and EU citizens living in the UK more than anyone and they didn't get a vote.

My wife has lived in the UK longer than in the country of her birth. She has paid taxes and NI to the UK for 30 years. Overnight her automatic right to live and work here was threatened and she didn't get a vote.


Overnight my teenage kids lost the right to automatically live, travel, work and study in multiple countries. They didn't get the vote despite they will have to live with consequences for 60 years.

The majority of the OAP generation who predominantly voted leave will be gone with 10 years and not be Impacted

To say it's nothing to do with these people is factually incorrect. People voted how they wanted but to deny those most impacted by the vote a voice was an absolute disgrace.

In my humble opinion
 
UK ends freedom of movement and at the same time much of the rest of Europe has to ban UK travellers because our virus handling is poor and our rate is too high. Irony.

Johnson has to beg foreign workers who left the UK in lockdown to please return as 'We need you'. More Brexit irony.
 
Tarian said:
It is so tedious having to correct anti-Brexit misquotes ..... but here goes.
(Not having a go at you jo - just those who invent the fake news - which supposedly reputable commentators repeat)

The short version
Rees-Mogg:
"The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years."
i.e. assessment would be a continuing process.


Yet again, anti-Brexit or anti-Conservative forces come up with inventive ways to mis-quote.
If only Facebook or Twitter would "fact-check" such mis-reporting !! :rolleyes:


Full exchange
R-M
"We've just discussed that we may not know for years to come whether....."(interrupted)

C4
"We'll know by the end of next year whether the economies taken a downturn"

R-M
"Leaving the EU is going to be the greatest opportunity economically for this country"

C4
"And I'm asking you. What if you're wrong?"

R-M
"I've accepted that anybody could be wrong."

C4
"So why don't you say; "If I'm wrong I'll resign". "

R-M
"Because you're proposing a very simple question on a very complex set of circumstances.
We will know at some point. Yes of course we will.
But it's a question of timescale."

C4
"So how long have you got?"

R-M
"We won't know the full economic consequences for a very long time."

C4
"Come on"

R-M
"We really won't."

C4
"Of course not, but we'll have an indication.
We'll know whether there's been chaos.
We'll know whether there's been job losses."

R-M
"The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years."
(not "at" 50 years)
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That's an awfully long way of trying to dodge the fact that Rees Mogg doesn't want his project to be judged until an awfully long time has elapsed.
 
markinkent said:
I think that's the biggest misunderstanding of all. It affects Brits living in the EU and EU citizens living in the UK more than anyone and they didn't get a vote.

My wife has lived in the UK longer than in the country of her birth. She has paid taxes and NI to the UK for 30 years. Overnight her automatic right to live and work here was threatened and she didn't get a vote.


Overnight my teenage kids lost the right to automatically live, travel, work and study in multiple countries. They didn't get the vote despite they will have to live with consequences for 60 years.

The majority of the OAP generation who predominantly voted leave will be gone with 10 years and not be Impacted

To say it's nothing to do with these people is factually incorrect. People voted how they wanted but to deny those most impacted by the vote a voice was an absolute disgrace.

In my humble opinion
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That is your humble opinion mark, and you are fully entitled to it.

Those are the UK rules.

I have a friend who has lived in Australia for thirty years but is not able to vote in elections because he retains his British citizenship.
To be entitled to vote, he would need to rescind his British and take Australian citizenship.
That is their rules.

Without trying to reopen old wounds, the referendum to leave the EU did not come as a surprise.
Everyone was given plenty of notice.
Cameron had it as part of his manifesto.
Action could have been taken if you felt strongly enough to have a voice in the decision.

Since then, anybody who feels very strongly that they would like to remain as an EU citizen has had four years to do something about it.
31,000 UK citizens living in Germany for example, have taken German citizenship since 2016.
 
Vambogills said:
UK ends freedom of movement and at the same time much of the rest of Europe has to ban UK travellers because our virus handling is poor and our rate is too high. Irony.

Johnson has to beg foreign workers who left the UK in lockdown to please return as 'We need you'. More Brexit irony.
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Maybe you can put a link to this news story ?
I missed that one .
 
jogills said:
That's an awfully long way of trying to dodge the fact that Rees Mogg doesn't want his project to be judged until an awfully long time has elapsed.
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I doubt that he minds being judged in the very near future because comparative trends will emerge, I would estimate in the next 3 to 5 years. All he was saying is that the potential is there for improvement and increased opportunity to continue over the next 50 years.

Whether in the EU or out, there can always be global events like recessions and pandemics over which neither the EU or the UK can have control.

This pandemic is not the EU's fault but it is still in need of a massive bail out (as we will be, as well) and in that respect we have definitely dodged a bullet by concentrating on our own economy's issues.
 
shotshy said:
That is your humble opinion mark, and you are fully entitled to it.

Those are the UK rules.

I have a friend who has lived in Australia for thirty years but is not able to vote in elections because he retains his British citizenship.
To be entitled to vote, he would need to rescind his British and take Australian citizenship.
That is their rules.

Without trying to reopen old wounds, the referendum to leave the EU did not come as a surprise.
Everyone was given plenty of notice.
Cameron had it as part of his manifesto.
Action could have been taken if you felt strongly enough to have a voice in the decision.

Since then, anybody who feels very strongly that they would like to remain as an EU citizen has had four years to do something about it.
31,000 UK citizens living in Germany for example, have taken German citizenship since 2016.
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Yep my kids took out German citizenship. Cost us a few hundred quid but they will retain the benefits of EU citizenship. If I can persuade either to study in the EU I will be quids in 😉


Always thought the EU itself should offer some kind of citizenship option for brits who dont want want to lose those benefits. I'd happily pay a few hundred quid for that.

This would require all member states to agree to recognize this as the EU is not a country. I'd happily pay into the EU coffers for the benefits though.

I wonder what percentage of this country would?

Interesting to see if we have to stand in the non EU passport line next year and whether many countries keep those queues long by only opening one passport control station 😆😁
 
markinkent said:
Yep my kids took out German citizenship. Cost us a few hundred quid but they will retain the benefits of EU citizenship. If I can persuade either to study in the EU I will be quids in 😉


Always thought the EU itself should offer some kind of citizenship option for brits who dont want want to lose those benefits. I'd happily pay a few hundred quid for that.

This would require all member states to agree to recognize this as the EU is not a country. I'd happily pay into the EU coffers for the benefits though.

I wonder what percentage of this country would?

Interesting to see if we have to stand in the non EU passport line next year and whether many countries keep those queues long by only opening one passport control station 😆😁
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That is a really good idea, Mark. If I could afford it at the time and I thought the fee was a reasonable one then I'd definitely pay for citizenship to not lose the benefits.
 
markinkent said:
My wife has lived in the UK longer than in the country of her birth. She has paid taxes and NI to the UK for 30 years. Overnight her automatic right to live and work here was threatened and she didn't get a vote.
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Was she turned down for UK citizenship? On what basis? If that is true, I find that surprising and she does have room for complaint IMO.

I assume she must have applied as I can not think of any reason not to do so, if you have decided to spend the largest part of your life here.
 
markinkent said:
Overnight my teenage kids lost the right to automatically live, travel, work and study in multiple countries. They didn't get the vote despite they will have to live with consequences for 60 years.
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So what are these dire consequences? If they have the skills they will obtain visas and work permits in the same way that they would have to do if they wanted to work in any other country outside the EU.

Of course, the worst thing you could say to the "wronged" generation is that they do not get something "automatically", in the same way as I am sure our generation did.

As they are teenagers and think it is "so unfair", is one of them called Kevin?

As a matter of interest, what are their dream jobs? Obviously has to be something so specialist that it is not performed in the UK, I suppose.
 
GillsBluenose said:
Was she turned down for UK citizenship? On what basis? If that is true, I find that surprising and she does have room for complaint IMO.

I assume she must have applied as I can not think of any reason not to do so, if you have decided to spend the largest part of your life here.
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Never applied. No reason to. As an EU citizen she had the automatic right to live and work here. Only thing she couldn't do was vote in general elections or referendum 😁
 
GillsBluenose said:
So what are these dire consequences? If they have the skills they will obtain visas and work permits in the same way that they would have to do if they wanted to work in any other country outside the EU.

Of course, the worst thing you could say to the "wronged" generation is that they do not get something "automatically", in the same way as I am sure our generation did.

As they are teenagers and think it is "so unfair", is one of them called Kevin?
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The "dire" (your word not mine) consequences is that would have to apply for those visas, permits etc. Previously they didn't have to.

Bureaucracy and cost that they didn't have before.

Time will tell what other benefits we keep or lose.

Minor example but being able to use my mobile data without being ripped off will be a benefit I will miss.

Interesting to see what the immigration process (for us visiting the EU) will be if we leave with no deal.

The US process is normally hassle free but can take time to clear immigration. I wonder if it will be similar for us visiting the EU. Hopefully this can be part of a deal.
 
markinkent said:
Yep my kids took out German citizenship. Cost us a few hundred quid but they will retain the benefits of EU citizenship. If I can persuade either to study in the EU I will be quids in 😉


Always thought the EU itself should offer some kind of citizenship option for brits who dont want want to lose those benefits. I'd happily pay a few hundred quid for that.

This would require all member states to agree to recognize this as the EU is not a country. I'd happily pay into the EU coffers for the benefits though.

I wonder what percentage of this country would?

Interesting to see if we have to stand in the non EU passport line next year and whether many countries keep those queues long by only opening one passport control station 😆😁
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Well done mark, you did the right thing for your family.

The passort thing will be interesting.
I had a mate who decided to take an American passport because he was born there and entitled to, even though he'd lived in the UK since the age of one.
I think he thought it wopuld make him a bit different.
Anyway, he always had issues when re-entering the UK and could be held up for hours at immigration.

If they are happy to be German and don't mind a little inconvenience, then all's good.
 
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If they are happy to be German and don't mind a little inconvenience, then all's good.[/QUOTE]


Well they were born 50% german so all that changed is they have a document .

I am looking at the advantages. They can go through the EU channel at immigration, collect the bags and sort the hire car while I stand in line at immigration 😉
 
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