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Sky News , amongst others , have been pushing a racial narrative all day , even though racism wasn't present last night.
The usual slurs against Trump and his supporters were regurgitated for the umpteenth occasion.
Obvious similarities to what we have witnessed throughout 4+ years of Brexit.

The US now have Biden to deal with

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Tarian said:
Still using dodgy debating tricks.
i) argument by exception
ii) appeal to authority
iii) argument by extreme
.....but why not kick off with a (mild) insult ???

"apologist" ..... I'm so hurt (not).

"some" staunch Republicans criticising Trump doesn't equal "all".

"right wing" - "ouch".
I suppose we know that anyone not fully signed up to socialist, collectivist, ill-liberal policies must be condemned as "right wing".

Is this because we can see through the many internal inconsistencies ?
Or that most such policies are based on a twisted world-view - with little basis in objective reality ?
So let's "play the man" rather than the ball !
(i.e. What has Farage got to do with this ??????):mad:

Where was the "attack on democracy" ?
Thousands of people protested against what they consider an unsafe election result.
A tiny handful were involved in scuffles (at least one provoked by a security guard.)
Did the protester sitting in the Speaker's Chair really "attack democracy" ???

Surely the real "attack on democracy" is the complete and utter dismissal of scores of reported irregularities ....
...as to say "if we admit to one, how many more might be uncovered".

But according to the BBC:
"Georgia's top election official, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, rejected the president's assertion, saying there were just two confirmed cases of votes attributed to dead people."

"two confirmed cases" sound like weasel words to me....
...one step along from "no evidence of widespread fraud".


Do you want to be "convinced" ? Or have you made up your mind already ?

Did you listen to what Trump actually said ?
His speech earlier talked about "peaceful protest".
By early evening he asked protestors to " go home peacefully".

If you can provide one quote (in context) that amounts to "incitement to violence/ riot / storm " (as distinct from encouraging to protest peacefully) I will withdraw.
Can you ??


Does this mean that you oppose the likes of Antifa ?
(Or, like most lefties, view protestors through one-way lenses)

How about an objective post for once ?
Please .......:oops:
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Tarian said:
Still using dodgy debating tricks.
i) argument by exception
ii) appeal to authority
iii) argument by extreme
.....but why not kick off with a (mild) insult ???

"apologist" ..... I'm so hurt (not).

"some" staunch Republicans criticising Trump doesn't equal "all".

"right wing" - "ouch".
I suppose we know that anyone not fully signed up to socialist, collectivist, ill-liberal policies must be condemned as "right wing".

Is this because we can see through the many internal inconsistencies ?
Or that most such policies are based on a twisted world-view - with little basis in objective reality ?
So let's "play the man" rather than the ball !
(i.e. What has Farage got to do with this ??????):mad:

Where was the "attack on democracy" ?
Thousands of people protested against what they consider an unsafe election result.
A tiny handful were involved in scuffles (at least one provoked by a security guard.)
Did the protester sitting in the Speaker's Chair really "attack democracy" ???

Surely the real "attack on democracy" is the complete and utter dismissal of scores of reported irregularities ....
...as to say "if we admit to one, how many more might be uncovered".

But according to the BBC:
"Georgia's top election official, Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, rejected the president's assertion, saying there were just two confirmed cases of votes attributed to dead people."

"two confirmed cases" sound like weasel words to me....
...one step along from "no evidence of widespread fraud".


Do you want to be "convinced" ? Or have you made up your mind already ?

Did you listen to what Trump actually said ?
His speech earlier talked about "peaceful protest".
By early evening he asked protestors to " go home peacefully".

If you can provide one quote (in context) that amounts to "incitement to violence/ riot / storm " (as distinct from encouraging to protest peacefully) I will withdraw.
Can you ??


Does this mean that you oppose the likes of Antifa ?
(Or, like most lefties, view protestors through one-way lenses)

How about an objective post for once ?
Please .......:oops:
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You must be right. All commentators have fallen into the same trap as me. It never happened.
I apologise.
ps. For your records, I am not a socialist or 'lefty'. I am a disaffected Tory who was irritated by the self harm of Brexit and a total mistrust of our own populist 'chancer' This does enable me to view objectively from somewhere near the middle rather than way, way over there where you are sitting.
 
MedwayModernist said:
The word is **** Buddha...

edit - a four letter word beginning with c, then a u, then an n, then a t for tarian
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You'd best press the 'ignore' button for Tarian as I did a few months ago.

He is not being a #### and stop having a go at him. He is not deliberately being like he is. I pointed out why he posts as he does but was reported for it and my post wiped. Ironically people have got away with calling him a #### and all sorts since. Leave him alone is my advice.
 
Gills 58 said:
You'd best press the 'ignore' button for Tarian as I did a few months ago.

He is not being a #### and stop having a go at him. He is not deliberately being like he is. I pointed out why he posts as he does but was reported for it and my post wiped. Ironically people have got away with calling him a #### and all sorts since. Leave him alone is my advice.
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I don’t have the staying-power to read his posts.

I’m unsure whether it is:
- the way he uses 1,000 words to make a point that can be made in 10;
- the way he uses at least 3 rhetorical questions in every post;
- the way he disagrees with everything and everyone - including himself;
- the irrational points that he makes (that reminds me - I noticed Bananas are a bit bendier since Brexit!)
- his psychedelic use of the colour palette for fonts.

This guy is best left alone!
 
Trashbat said:
I don’t have the staying-power to read his posts.

I’m unsure whether it is:
- the way he uses 1,000 words to make a point that can be made in 10;
- the way he uses at least 3 rhetorical questions in every post;
- the way he disagrees with everything and everyone - including himself;
- the irrational points that he makes (that reminds me - I noticed Bananas are a bit bendier since Brexit!)
- his psychedelic use of the colour palette for fonts.

This guy is best left alone!
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He is being an apologist not only for Trump but the many neo nazis pictured in the attempted coup. He minimises the fact that two viable pipe bombs were disarmed and at least one of the invaders was carrying cable ties which would have had no other purpose than for taking hostages. Many had nazi tattoos and one had a t shirt emblazoned with “Camp Auschwitz”.

He complains about partial quotes than partially quotes Trump missing out the part when after saying they should all go to the Capitol “You need to be strong. The weak win nothing”.

Frankly he makes me sick.
 
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LancsGordoRoad said:
I hear what you say LL, but the thing is, until such time as he is formally unseated (which could be imminent) he is still POTUS and media moguls should not be the arbiters of free speech. People like Nobby have to stand in the face violence in order that free speech is maintained, it`s quite a challenge some times ;)
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excellent perspective Lancs. People need to step back and look at the bigger picture. Media moguls deciding what a democratically elected leader can say. Commenting is one thing but actually banning them is a major problem as it is simply censorship from unelected powers. Sadly if you want freedom and democracy then its the same argument as freedom of speech - you have to allow it to keep yours.

the only surprise is that anyone is surprised. The dems tried similar tactics when trump was elected - not my president marches and then 4 years of trying to impeach him. As Bud said Trump aint no fascist - he uses them but is a power hungry narcissist and life long democrat.
Most ironic thing is that Biden (research his history) is more right wing and the Dems are just another Republican party in the pay of exactly the same elites, financiers, corporates and our other masters.

75m voters were not all white supremists or fascists but mainly people looking for hope and change and the same for those forced to vote biden as they had as they saw it little choice. So basically millions of people wanting change but still voting for the same corrupt parties instead of joining forces to move to a better future.

the puppet masters laughing their heads off - dance puppets dance. Cannot have those people joining together and thinking for themselves now, they might invent a better way of living together lol.
 
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jokerman said:
surely you experienced a moment’s thrill as the people surged up the steps and put the shits up an indignant political class pontificating about the sacredness of their blessed routines? I permitted myself a wry smile before resuming my grown up identity.
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I get where you're coming from, it's certainly thrilling to see 'the people' revolt and put the shits up an indignant political class, no doubt about it.

I am not against rioting per se, it's just that fascist rioting doesn't inspire me, it troubles me.

As 3x6 has pointed out, some of my posts may have made me sound as if I think liberal democracy is a great thing. I don't. I just think it's far, far more preferable than some form of right wing dictatorship.

Am wondering this morning how the crazies will react to Trump's latest comments where he backtracks from telling the insurgents that he loves them and now says that they "defiled the seat of American democracy", and that they, "don't represent the country"? Will they view this as him simply playing to the gallery and continue to support him? Or will they regard these latest comments as betrayal?
 
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valenciagill said:
He's certainly more eloquent than me
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He's not, that's merely an illusion.

You know I don't agree with you about most things but I (begrudgingly) respect your honesty and your candour.

And you have a sense of humour.

'58 has repeatedly warned us that he thinks Tarian has a mental illness. If he's correct about that (seems like a fair guess, to be fair) then it probably isn't kind to laugh at Tarian. Although if he doesn't know you're laughing, is it still unkind to do so? Probably. But also probably better that than allow him to make you angry and/or sick, a la Waldo...
 
Buddha said:
'58 has repeatedly warned us that he thinks Tarian has a mental illness. If he's correct about that (seems like a fair guess, to be fair) then it probably isn't kind to laugh at Tarian. Although if he doesn't know you're laughing, is it still unkind to do so? Probably. But also probably better that than allow him to make you angry and/or sick, a la Waldo...
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Well said! There was an unpleasant bullying tone last night which we haven't had here for a while. If someone has different views and you can't get them to agree with your opinion, then you can block them. Surely that is preferable to making yourself feel sick?

People are different and are entitled to respect. If some happens to be on the Autism spectrum (I don't know whether that is true) then that shouldn't be used as a basis of personal abuse. ALM
 
Buddha said:
Am wondering this morning how the crazies will react to Trump's latest comments where he backtracks from telling the insurgents that he loves them and now says that they "defiled the seat of American democracy", and that they, "don't represent the country"? Will they view this as him simply playing to the gallery and continue to support him? Or will they regard these latest comments as betrayal?
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Before it truly kicked off Trump was tweeting comments like:

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It is truly an amazing bit of mental gynastics for those on the left to claim he was dog whistling for violence and vandalism.

I suspect that 99.99% of those who voted for Trump would agree with him that the 70 or so people arrested did overstep the mark and deserve to be called out. From all the tweets I have read prior to the 6th, if you take them at face value then it was simply a call for as many people as possible to make their voices heard. He was only calling for violence if you believe everything he says is somehow a dog whistle.
 
I think Trump spends time in front of the mirror imitating the Presley sneer, honestly I do. I don't know if this is relevant or interesting or if it makes me bitter remainer.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Before it truly kicked off Trump was tweeting comments like:

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It is truly an amazing bit of mental gynastics for those on the left to claim he was dog whistling for violence and vandalism.

I suspect that 99.99% of those who voted for Trump would agree with him that the 70 or so people arrested did overstep the mark and deserve to be called out. From all the tweets I have read prior to the 6th, if you take them at face value then it was simply a call for as many people as possible to make their voices heard. He was only calling for violence if you believe everything he says is somehow a dog whistle.
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The fact that you don’t think Trump has been goading people towards violence is simply a sad reflection on your own moral compass. For days he’s been calling for his supporters to come to Washington whilst at the same time still spouting his baseless claims about the election. Anyone could see it would create a tinder box and anyone not wanting to see trouble would have wound down the rhetoric not ramped it up. He told the Proud Boys specifically to “be ready”. Also you are misrepresenting Trump’s tweets. They didn’t come before it “truly kicked off”. They came after the Capitol was well and truly occupied. The telling point is that in neither tweet did he actually ask people to leave the building. Unfortunately you’re doing exactly what you blame the left for. Twisting the facts to suit an agenda.

I hadn’t got you down as unhinged as Tarian but sadly I do now. ps as if to emphasise the point the condemnation of Trump has been almost universal and certainly not just from the left. Perhaps you’d also include Betsy Davos, Trump’s Education Secretary who has said “There is no mistaking the effect that your rhetoric had on the situation” in her resignation statement.
 
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Exiling any Republican who questioned the election result? What could possibly go wrong in this suggested resolution?

Edit: Since the Democrats control all branches of government then I'm not sure if they could actually pass this resolution and have elected representatives kicked out.

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