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Gilles Lingam said:
Maybe they didn't do it .....
"Vladimir Leontyev, the Russian-installed mayor of the occupied settlement of Nova Kakhovka near the damaged dam blamed Ukraine for the incident, which he said followed "successive strikes" by Ukrainian troops, Russian state news agency Tass reported.
Ukrainian hydro power company Ukrhydroenergo said in a statement that the hydroelectric power plant's engine room "has been destroyed completely" and that the plant "cannot be restored."
According to a preliminary forecast, the Kakhovka reservoir is expected to be operational within four days, it added.
"An uncontrolled decrease in the reservoir level is an additional threat to the temporarily occupied Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant," Ukrhydroenergo said, noting that water from the reservoir is needed for the nuclear power plant's turbine capacitors and safety systems.
Russian-installed officials said there was no danger yet to the nuclear plant, which is Europe's largest."
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-dam-nova-kakhova-flood-1804649
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The local Russians accused Ukrainian shelling and then shifted to sabotage. The UN nucs people say no danger to the nuclear power plant. Hard to imagine the Ukrainians blowing up critical infrastructure of their own country, exposing their civilian population to further suffering and restricting the operational space for their offensive all to make the Russians look bad. Much easier to imagine Russians desperate to signal how upset they are and doubting the ability of their troops to hold a line, doing it.
 
This just confirms how evil Putin's regime is. They know they're losing militarily, so they're laying waste to the country. Why on earth would Ukraine ruin their own infrastructure? That makes absolutely no sense.

Give Ukraine everything they need to eject these fuckers - and ensure that all of Russia's frozen assets are allocated for making good the damage when this is finally over.
 
If I recall correctly, the day before Russia invaded Ukraine, Putin said publicly that he had absolutely no intention of attacking Ukraine and it was western propaganda.
A few apologists fell for it.
Anything that has since come out of Russia must be taken with a huge pinch of salt
They are the aggressors.
They invaded a neighbouring country.
They cannot be trusted with any information .
Three day special operation ???
 
jokerman said:
The local Russians accused Ukrainian shelling and then shifted to sabotage. The UN nucs people say no danger to the nuclear power plant. Hard to imagine the Ukrainians blowing up critical infrastructure of their own country, exposing their civilian population to further suffering and restricting the operational space for their offensive all to make the Russians look bad. Much easier to imagine Russians desperate to signal how upset they are and doubting the ability of their troops to hold a line, doing it.
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Why would Russia shell, or sabotage, the Nova Kakhovka dam which supplies water to the Crimea via the North Crimean Canal ? It seems to be the same thing as when the Nord Stream pipelines were blown up & Russia was originally blamed .... why shoot yourself in the foot ? ....
 
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Gilles Lingam said:
Why would Russia shell, or sabotage, the Nova Kakhovka dam which supplies water to the Crimea via the North Crimean Canal ? It seems to be the same thing as when the Nord Stream pipelines were blown up & Russia was originally blamed .... why shoot yourself in the foot ? ....
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Good point but I don’t think the water supply is completely jiggered, and I’d have thought the Ukrainians would have tried to grab the dam both for control of the water supply and as a bridge. People retreating generally blow things up behind them. People advancing tend not to blow things up in front of them. It is possible that the Ukrainians blew it up as a distraction from failure as the Russians are claiming, but the balance of evidence and probabilities is strongly against this in my view, especially if the Ukrainians succeed in advancing.
 
EagerExile said:
This just confirms how evil Putin's regime is. They know they're losing militarily, so they're laying waste to the country. Why on earth would Ukraine ruin their own infrastructure? That makes absolutely no sense.

Give Ukraine everything they need to eject these fuckers - and ensure that all of Russia's frozen assets are allocated for making good the damage when this is finally over.
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Agree with this. There’s no point just providing ad hoc and piecemeal support for Ukraine as all it is doing is ensuring the war continues for longer and longer with no end in sight and the Ukrainians suffering is prolonged. We as the west need to put together a strategy to be able to up our production and supply of weapons and arm Ukraine to the hilt to push the Russians out - more tanks, jets and more missiles, especially long range ones to hit targets inside Russia to bring it home to the oblivious Russian people what their psychopathic leader has gotten them into, so that Putin is fighting a two prongued attack in Ukraine and from within at home.
 
Gilles Lingam said:
Why would Russia shell, or sabotage, the Nova Kakhovka dam which supplies water to the Crimea via the North Crimean Canal ? It seems to be the same thing as when the Nord Stream pipelines were blown up & Russia was originally blamed .... why shoot yourself in the foot ? ....
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Fair question.
We could just as well ask why Russia invaded their immediate neighbour?
De- nazify? Little evidence of the government of Ukraine being full of Nazis.
De-militarise? Well, that’s gone well, hasn’t it.
Remove the President and install a puppet government? Not much sign of that.
Harm Nato? It’s increased in size since the illegal invasion.
All in all, not going very well.
Happy Z day.
 
jokerman said:
Doesn’t look like a three holes in a gate job though. Looks like a huge chunk blown out.
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I realise that, but it just goes to show that Ukraine were already "playing with fire" there last year....
anyway, any war is a terrible thing & generally speaking both sides, in a conflict, commit inhuman atrocities - & with all the fake news & propaganda that's put out it's very difficult to know the truth ... sometimes even decades later.....
 
jokerman said:
Doesn’t look like a three holes in a gate job though. Looks like a huge chunk blown out and a turbine house and island gone, as per an internal mining.
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I think the idea is a strategically placed , shaped charge device. The immense water pressure does the rest. Its essentially demolition engineering.
Barnes Wallis had to figure out the delivery of the weapon.
 
valenciagill said:
I think the idea is a strategically placed , shaped charge device. The immense water pressure does the rest. Its essentially demolition engineering.
Barnes Wallis had to figure out the delivery of the weapon.
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So a bouncing bomb penetrates the wall and the wall collapse spreads towards the other structures -possibly. I still think a huge charge in the turbine house spreading destruction the other way sounds more probable but, let’s face it, I haven’t got a clue.
 
jokerman said:
So a bouncing bomb penetrates the wall and the wall collapse spreads towards the other structures -possibly. I still think a huge charge in the turbine house spreading destruction the other way sounds more probable but, let’s face it, I haven’t got a clue.
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Most Dams are curved / arc shapes towards the water side because it the best shape to resist the immense pressure put on it from the water. You only need to damage part of the wall to create a weakened point for the water to push against and the immense pressure will cause additional cracks to appear until the wall breaks.

And there was only relatively small amounts of explosive in the bouncing bomb and it only needed to explode at the right depth in order to maximise the structural damage. The bomb hit the dam and then sunk to the bottom of the lake where there was the most weight of water pressing on it before exploding. The Germans knew the risk of a small bomb on the structure of the dam which is why they had all the netting to stop torpedos and other driven explosive devices to be delivered by the waterway.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
Most Dams are curved / arc shapes towards the water side because it the best shape to resist the immense pressure put on it from the water. You only need to damage part of the wall to create a weakened point for the water to push against and the immense pressure will cause additional cracks to appear until the wall breaks.

And there was only relatively small amounts of explosive in the bouncing bomb and it only needed to explode at the right depth in order to maximise the structural damage. The bomb hit the dam and then sunk to the bottom of the lake where there was the most weight of water pressing on it before exploding. The Germans knew the risk of a small bomb on the structure of the dam which is why they had all the netting to stop torpedos and other driven explosive devices to be delivered by the waterway.
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Yes, but if you look at the Mohne dam, the wall has gone, but the towers remain. With present dam, a honking great square structure to the side has vanished.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Moe...TF-8&hl=en&client=safari#imgrc=Te4DtYkLYHCmIM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ter-satellite-images-reservoir-kherson-oblast
 
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Baghdad_Rob said:
Most Dams are curved / arc shapes towards the water side because it the best shape to resist the immense pressure put on it from the water. You only need to damage part of the wall to create a weakened point for the water to push against and the immense pressure will cause additional cracks to appear until the wall breaks.

And there was only relatively small amounts of explosive in the bouncing bomb and it only needed to explode at the right depth in order to maximise the structural damage. The bomb hit the dam and then sunk to the bottom of the lake where there was the most weight of water pressing on it before exploding. The Germans knew the risk of a small bomb on the structure of the dam which is why they had all the netting to stop torpedos and other driven explosive devices to be delivered by the waterway.
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Thanks for your better way of explaining 👍
I'm crap at giving more detail or even expressing my views sometimes. 🤗
 
jokerman said:
Yes, but if you look at the Mohne dam, the wall has gone, but the towers remain. With present dam, a honking great square structure to the side has vanished.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Moe...TF-8&hl=en&client=safari#imgrc=Te4DtYkLYHCmIM

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ter-satellite-images-reservoir-kherson-oblast
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The reported latest images certainly seem to show serious/substantial damage. Missile strike ?
No-one has admitted responsibility, but why would the Russians destroy their own infrastructure ?
Whether it is an undersea pipeline or a road/rail bridge , its not logical.
 
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