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Transfers - Jan 2024

Matic said:
Good question. It being classed as a loan implies we are still paying him wages. Unless there has been agreement that we don't pay him either? Unless there is still work being done on terminating his contract but all parties just wanted him to be able to leave and continue his rehab in Croatia in the meantime? It's a very strange one.
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i've asked about it and both people who I thought would know, are scratching their heads too, apparently it has an impact on his tax status, that's all I know for now
 
Barnsleyspur said:
Is there a reason this can't be done at this day in age? Gross misconduct also seems fair for someone who is perpetually unfit when supposed to be a professional athlete.
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Probably to many rules and regulations these days. My old boss would drop them from the squad if they were unfit to participate. But that was at private school level. The snooty rich parents didn't like that.

He worked under Mourinho for a while, his 2nd stint at the chavs and said Jose would do the same if players turned up for pre season overweight.

I remember doing fitness classes and strength training sessions for the Swindon players in 2017, 2018, the large majority were unfit, lazy unmotivated. Their top boy was on 30k a week at that point. Feck knows how they were shite.

Still remember having a player pinned up against the locker room wall for bullying, horrible ginger ****. Can't remember his name. 🤣
 
Real Deal said:
Probably to many rules and regulations these days. My old boss would drop them from the squad if they were unfit to participate. But that was at private school level. The snooty rich parents didn't like that.

He worked under Mourinho for a while, his 2nd stint at the chavs and said Jose would do the same if players turned up for pre season overweight.

I remember doing fitness classes and strength training sessions for the Swindon players in 2017, 2018, the large majority were unfit, lazy unmotivated. Their top boy was on 30k a week at that point. Feck knows how they were shite.

Still remember having a player pinned up against the locker room wall for bullying, horrible ginger ****. Can't remember his name. 🤣
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This may well be the answer, suspect we'd be on weak ground if we haven't set these sorts of targets for him in the past as it is a bit of 'chicken and egg' i.e. he gets fit, gets injured, then puts on weight, then it's rinse and repeat - anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised for us to do something like Sevilla have. A serious amount of dosh is to be played for, and the longer his lack of professionalism continues, the lower the chances of us ever being able to sell, that i, if there is any chance left at all....

Sevilla had just cause to cancel defender Joris Gnagnon’s contract for being ‘severely overweight’, a court has ruled.

In September 2021, the Spanish club terminated Gnagnon’s deal after repeated concerns regarding the player’s professionalism and physical condition.

Gnagnon, 27, signed a five-year contract with Sevilla in a €13.5million (now £11.6m, $14.7m) transfer from French side Rennes in the summer of 2018. After his contract was terminated in 2021, he asked world football’s governing body FIFA for compensation of more than €4.6m plus interest.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has now ruled in favour of Sevilla and ordered the player to pay the costs of the proceedings.

The justification outlined by the Spanish club to justify Gnagnon’s termination was “the player’s alleged overweight situation and his multiple delays to training sessions”.

In September 2022, the FIFA disputes panel ruled in Sevilla’s favour as it was documented that the club had notified the defender of their concerns that he was overweight following his return to training in September 2020.

Sevilla had set Gnagnon a weight target of less than 90kg (200lbs) but in July 2021, they had reported him to be overweight at ‘level II (pre-obesity)’ and alleged that he struggled to complete training sessions.

Gnagnon took the case to CAS after FIFA judges ruled that his claim with them was inadmissible as the footballer had also started a civil case in Spain — a claim that was later withdrawn.

On Thursday, CAS ruled that Sevilla were justified in their dismissal of Gnagnon over his failure to maintain appropriate weight and fitness levels.

The verdict decided that the club’s expectations for the player’s weight loss were reasonable and noted their attempts to assist the player, while repeatedly warning the player of the consequences of him not meeting the club’s guidelines.

A Sevilla statement following the decision read: “The Court of Arbitration for Sport has ruled that the dismissal of the player Joris Gnagnon was justified given that he failed to maintain appropriate weight and fitness levels.

“The Court’s judgement is that the club acted legally and appropriately and that this was not a case of unfair dismissal.

“The ruling ends a long procedure that began after the player’s post-pandemic return to the club, in which he arrived severely overweight.

“This was not rectified despite four disciplinary proceedings that were brought against him. The player had the opportunity to comply with the prescriptions and advice of the medical and nutrition staff in order to regain his fitness, but failure to do so on his own initiative resulted in him being dismissed.”

The statement added: “The professionalism of the club was ruled to be exemplary and remains faultless, establishing and reinforcing an important legal precedent for future similar cases.”

Gnagnon made just 17 appearances for Sevilla and joined Saint-Etienne in 2021 after leaving Spain, but did not make a first-team appearance for the French club.

The central defender has been a free agent since the summer of 2022.
 
We have a new signing in training, not Dragon but Maddi Lol!

Now a question....is to much being expected of him on his return to the 1st team?

Think it was Ex, who pointed it out, that it will take time for him to reach the standards we have witnessed before his injury, this info was from Fox Fans apparently. COYS
 
Pompey Yid said:
We have a new signing in training, not Dragon but Maddi Lol!

Now a question....is to much being expected of him on his return to the 1st team?

Think it was Ex, who pointed it out, that it will take time for him to reach the standards we have witnessed before his injury, this info was from Fox Fans apparently. COYS
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He is back, and hopefully, he'll be ready soon, whether he can start or not is the big question and I'm sure Ange will answer it soon enough.
 
Pompey Yid said:
We have a new signing in training, not Dragon but Maddi Lol!

Now a question....is to much being expected of him on his return to the 1st team?

Think it was Ex, who pointed it out, that it will take time for him to reach the standards we have witnessed before his injury, this info was from Fox Fans apparently. COYS
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For the last 5 years I would have said keep Madds on the bench, soak up the pressure and then hit the killer blow to City by bringing him on for the last 30 mins.

This is Ange Ball !!!
 
So Orban goes to Lyon for €12m potentially rising to 20m with a 20% sell on fee. No wonder we were being quoted 30m, no way Daniel would've given them that 20% slice.

Looked good at the level he was at, will be interesting to see how he takes to the French league.
 
Spursex said:
This may well be the answer, suspect we'd be on weak ground if we haven't set these sorts of targets for him in the past as it is a bit of 'chicken and egg' i.e. he gets fit, gets injured, then puts on weight, then it's rinse and repeat - anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised for us to do something like Sevilla have. A serious amount of dosh is to be played for, and the longer his lack of professionalism continues, the lower the chances of us ever being able to sell, that i, if there is any chance left at all....

Sevilla had just cause to cancel defender Joris Gnagnon’s contract for being ‘severely overweight’, a court has ruled.

In September 2021, the Spanish club terminated Gnagnon’s deal after repeated concerns regarding the player’s professionalism and physical condition.

Gnagnon, 27, signed a five-year contract with Sevilla in a €13.5million (now £11.6m, $14.7m) transfer from French side Rennes in the summer of 2018. After his contract was terminated in 2021, he asked world football’s governing body FIFA for compensation of more than €4.6m plus interest.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has now ruled in favour of Sevilla and ordered the player to pay the costs of the proceedings.

The justification outlined by the Spanish club to justify Gnagnon’s termination was “the player’s alleged overweight situation and his multiple delays to training sessions”.

In September 2022, the FIFA disputes panel ruled in Sevilla’s favour as it was documented that the club had notified the defender of their concerns that he was overweight following his return to training in September 2020.

Sevilla had set Gnagnon a weight target of less than 90kg (200lbs) but in July 2021, they had reported him to be overweight at ‘level II (pre-obesity)’ and alleged that he struggled to complete training sessions.

Gnagnon took the case to CAS after FIFA judges ruled that his claim with them was inadmissible as the footballer had also started a civil case in Spain — a claim that was later withdrawn.

On Thursday, CAS ruled that Sevilla were justified in their dismissal of Gnagnon over his failure to maintain appropriate weight and fitness levels.

The verdict decided that the club’s expectations for the player’s weight loss were reasonable and noted their attempts to assist the player, while repeatedly warning the player of the consequences of him not meeting the club’s guidelines.

A Sevilla statement following the decision read: “The Court of Arbitration for Sport has ruled that the dismissal of the player Joris Gnagnon was justified given that he failed to maintain appropriate weight and fitness levels.

“The Court’s judgement is that the club acted legally and appropriately and that this was not a case of unfair dismissal.

“The ruling ends a long procedure that began after the player’s post-pandemic return to the club, in which he arrived severely overweight.

“This was not rectified despite four disciplinary proceedings that were brought against him. The player had the opportunity to comply with the prescriptions and advice of the medical and nutrition staff in order to regain his fitness, but failure to do so on his own initiative resulted in him being dismissed.”

The statement added: “The professionalism of the club was ruled to be exemplary and remains faultless, establishing and reinforcing an important legal precedent for future similar cases.”

Gnagnon made just 17 appearances for Sevilla and joined Saint-Etienne in 2021 after leaving Spain, but did not make a first-team appearance for the French club.

The central defender has been a free agent since the summer of 2022.
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I do think we have a case.

I know RD mentioned having targets etc in contract, and I am by no means in expert I'm tort law, however contracts have expressed (goals, targets, duration and wage) and implied terms (those that are expected by each party and do not have to be stipulated).

Attendance, tardiness and fitness I believe are all qualified as implied.
 
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