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What a great idea! Lets completely dismantle the best back 4 in Europe which was our foundation of a serious red hot go at winning the PL.

That'll just leave Jan.... who performs better in the Toby/Jan partnership and almost lost without Toby.

Nice work. Now, let's sell Eriksen, Ali and Kane and have a race to the bottom!

No wonder we're a pessimistic bunch.
 
Unfortunately, Alderweireld is worth a lot more than the wages we would offer him.

The guy is, quite simply, one of the best defenders in the world. A casual viewer can see he's incredible and his stats are ridiculous.

If we want to keep our title hunt going we absolutely need to keep him, but it's unlikely.
 
Taricco the yid - 3/9/2017 19:46

Kinygerbils - 3/9/2017 18:57

Toby Alderweirled's advisor Stijn Francis has insisted his client needs to be paid what he's worth by #thfc or he must be allowed to leave.

I know what levy is thinking. Sell toby next summer for big money before his 25m release clause is activated in 2019.

It will happen, thats why we paid big for sanchez.

It's entirely possible that's true.

Levy won't let one player's agent blackmail the club, as I understand it he's been offered parity with the best paid player at the club, and the agent wants more, as well as set buy-out (which would allow him to force a move anyway and make himself a fortune).

The ball is firmly back in his and his agents court now, the key issue is that agents are now in complete control in as much as they are demanding and getting millions for themselves in these deals now, so they have absolutely no interest in reaching an agreement with a club when a player starts reaching the stage of his last big contract.
 
What Stirr associates say, is well worth a read to give you an insight into their thinking now and what goes on with all agents - Stjin - works with it:

http://www.stirrassociates.com/why-the-football-agent-business-will-remain-corrupt-and-its-consequences-for-players/


Why the football agent business will remain corrupt (and its consequences for players)

October 19, 2015 Stijn Francis - Why the football agent business will remain corrupt (and its consequences for players)

Introduction

Every now and then the corruption of football agents is a hot topic in the world of football. It seems that it has become a widespread and generally accepted practice that football agents do not mind the conflicts of interest they are being confronted with. Also the fact that agents pay kick-backs to the sports directors, managers or presidents of football clubs does no longer seem to raise any eyebrows.

The major victims of this situation situation are the football players. As long as players are not themselves responsible for paying their agents, conflicts of interests and corruption will remain.
Player Perspective

Why do agents not defend the interests of their clients? As agents need the clubs in the future for other transfers or other clients, they do not wish to jeopardize their good relationship. As a consequence, they agree with the club that they will not try to negotiate the best possible deal for the player. The relationship with the club is often far more important for the agent than his relationship with the player. Agents tend to look for the best possible commercial deal, which implies not having the best deal for their client.

This situation can deteriorate when the agent gets a success fee from the selling club in case of a future transfer of the player. Moreover, it is practically impossible for a player to be aware of this construction between his agent and the club.

Why is this dangerous? In case the agent gets a success fee for transferring the player, the agent has maximum interest to sell the player at the highest price (the higher the transfer fee, the higher the success fee). However, the higher the transfer fee, the lower the salary that is left for the player at his new club.

If you do not know which agent you should work with, never rely on the reference of the club for choosing an agent. A club will always try to refer you to an agent who works in in the interest of the club, which by definition contradicts with your interests.
Solution – Players

For the players, the easiest solution would be to work with an intermediary who is being paid by themselves and not by the club. This intermediary should not be the intermediary who brought the deal to the player. The role of the agent of the player (and the only role) should be to protect the player to the fullest extent and to negotiate the best possible deal.

His role will thus be to increase the budget for the player (and not take into consideration his relationship with the club).

To guarantee his independence from the club and the other agent, this agent would need (i) to be paid by the player and (ii) never act on behalf of the club in previous or future deals.

Conclusion

There is only one good solution to solve the corruption within the business football agents. FIFA should rule that the players are responsible to pay their agents themselves in order to guarantee full independence and protection. As long as FIFA does not intervene in this matter as such, corruption and conflicts of interest will never disappear.

 
The key operative paragraph:


His role will thus be to increase the budget for the player (and not take into consideration his relationship with the club).

It's no wonder agents are now raping clubs during deals.
 
I have a huge problem with footballers who are so highly paid they can lose tens of thousands of pounds a night in casinos, and still feel hard done by.

The clubs paying huge wages to the Walkers of this world will implode sooner or later.
 
whiteghost - 4/9/2017 11:08

I have a huge problem with footballers who are so highly paid they can lose tens of thousands of pounds a night in casinos, and still feel hard done by.

The clubs paying huge wages to the Walkers of this world will implode sooner or later.

Many clubs have during the history of the Premier league, although some still can't grasp it.

Buidling a self-sustaining club apparently isn't the way to go.
 
Taricco the yid - 3/9/2017 19:46

Kinygerbils - 3/9/2017 18:57

Toby Alderweirled's advisor Stijn Francis has insisted his client needs to be paid what he's worth by #thfc or he must be allowed to leave.

I know what levy is thinking. Sell toby next summer for big money before his 25m release clause is activated in 2019.

It will happen, thats why we paid big for sanchez.

The way I see it. I would say that is a cert.
 
Real Deal - 4/9/2017 12:24

Taricco the yid - 3/9/2017 19:46

Kinygerbils - 3/9/2017 18:57

Toby Alderweirled's advisor Stijn Francis has insisted his client needs to be paid what he's worth by #thfc or he must be allowed to leave.

I know what levy is thinking. Sell toby next summer for big money before his 25m release clause is activated in 2019.

It will happen, thats why we paid big for sanchez.

The way I see it. I would say that is a cert.

If we cannot reach a sensible new contract with him/his Dad/His agent(s) - he has two, we'll have no choice - we can't afford to walk away from £50-75 mill (and it's that sort of money we'd get for him next summer)...

I'm told we're going to make one last effort. let's see if we do.
 
Which would be? Higher wages? A higher transfer fee buy out clause?

Looks like Kane is our top earner, so will be interesting to see if we offer more.
 
Real Deal - 4/9/2017 12:45

Which would be? Higher wages? A higher transfer fee buy out clause?

Looks like Kane is our top earner, so will be interesting to see if we offer more.

If as so often happens his agent has already agreed broad personal terms with the top 3 of the 8/9 Top clubs that want him, then a player of his qulaity would probably in this market have agreed a four year contract in the region of £175-220k per week, most especially if it's one of the state-owned or la liga clubs where they still doing off-shore 'image rights' deals., Manure have stopped those deals now, so suspect it wouldn't be them.

His agent will have put that sort of numbers range to us, plus a demand for a new signing on/loyalty fee (in this market that could be at least another £10-15 mill), plus upfront agent fees of anywhere between £5-15 mill.

I'd be amazed if we got anywhere near those numbers.
 
Real Deal - 4/9/2017 12:24

Taricco the yid - 3/9/2017 19:46

Kinygerbils - 3/9/2017 18:57

Toby Alderweirled's advisor Stijn Francis has insisted his client needs to be paid what he's worth by #thfc or he must be allowed to leave.

I know what levy is thinking. Sell toby next summer for big money before his 25m release clause is activated in 2019.

It will happen, thats why we paid big for sanchez.

The way I see it. I would say that is a cert.

It's no coincidence that we have signed a couple centre backs during the window. Levy knows Toby will want out and will let him go for the right price. Upset that he will go because he is the best centre back we have had in years with the exception of King, but sadly that is the way of the world these days. Don't pay, don't stay.
 
Best CB in the premier league, but it's time to move on. We will need a top notch CB coming in as I don't see Foyth/CCV being able to step up next season. I also wonder how his departure would impact Vertonghen's mindset, though we already knows that his performances plummet when Toby isn't there.

We need to accept that we are about to lose 2-3 players next season and work quickly to identify and sign their replacements.
 
Pollo - 5/9/2017 08:22



We need to accept that we are about to lose 2-3 players next season and work quickly to identify and sign their replacements.

I think we already have., it will be about who might step up (and I have little faith that CCV can do it - but you never know what a season of week after week competitive football might do for him).

 
Spursex - 5/9/2017 09:51

Pollo - 5/9/2017 08:22



We need to accept that we are about to lose 2-3 players next season and work quickly to identify and sign their replacements.

I think we already have., it will be about who might step up (and I have little faith that CCV can do it - but you never know what a season of week after week competitive football might do for him).

We've only signed a potential replacement for Toby, I'd say Rose is also a definite. It would be great if we can lose just those 2 (great might not be the word to describe losing Toby I know), but I feel Dier/Eriksen are also at risk of leaving.

The rest can be kept until 2019.
 
Pollo - 5/9/2017 10:02

Spursex - 5/9/2017 09:51

Pollo - 5/9/2017 08:22



We need to accept that we are about to lose 2-3 players next season and work quickly to identify and sign their replacements.

I think we already have., it will be about who might step up (and I have little faith that CCV can do it - but you never know what a season of week after week competitive football might do for him).

We've only signed a potential replacement for Toby, I'd say Rose is also a definite. It would be great if we can lose just those 2 (great might not be the word to describe losing Toby I know), but I feel Dier/Eriksen are also at risk of leaving.

The rest can be kept until 2019.

I have this feeling that Foyth is going to be Dier's understudy/replacement - I guess we'll know soon enough.

And Jaden Brown may well be seen as Rose's replacement?
 
I think we could turn a tidy profit on Dier without losing much in terms of the squad... but losing Kane, Alli, Eriksen, or Aldertonghen will be catastrophic.