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They're at it again

Brendan Bradley said:
Obviously all the personalities are different now, but the Everton board weren't thinking of the poor little people when they were behind breaking up the Football League in 1991.

Naturally, they weren't asked to join this one.
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To be slightly fair to those who formed the Premier League, they did not ever close the drawbridge to the rest of us.
Although of course, that has been proposed at various times, notably by the epitome of cheating twats, Bolton Wanderers.
 
HoofGrantBrown said:
To be slightly fair to those who formed the Premier League, they did not ever close the drawbridge to the rest of us.
Although of course, that has been proposed at various times, notably by the epitome of cheating twats, Bolton Wanderers.
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It did however set in motion the never-ending greedy pursuit of a larger and larger slice of the pie by the top clubs.

Edit: and of course the goal of securing a permanent place at the "top table". This is just the natural next step. The current big clubs are petrified of losing their positions and the cash it brings. The Spanish clubs are up to their eyeballs in debt, wages continue to rise, the threat of Newcastle being taken over by the Saudis is huge to these clubs.

It's so sad. It used to be great that clubs like Red Star, Forest, Villa and Ipswich could have success in Europe. Ajax even. These selfish pillocks want the same dozen clubs to be winning everything. How dull.
 
gijsbert_bos said:
It did however set in motion the never-ending greedy pursuit of a larger and larger slice of the pie by the top clubs.

Edit: and of course the goal of securing a permanent place at the "top table". This is just the natural next step. The current big clubs are petrified of losing their positions and the cash it brings. The Spanish clubs are up to their eyeballs in debt, wages continue to rise, the threat of Newcastle being taken over by the Saudis is huge to these clubs.

It's so sad. It used to be great that clubs like Red Star, Forest, Villa and Ipswich could have success in Europe. Ajax even. These selfish pillocks want the same dozen clubs to be winning everything. How dull.
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Watched a terrific programme last night about Derry City (bbc1 for anyone who didn't see it and can go backwards in time on these iplayer type things).
Brilliant story of a proper community football club.
Anyway (without spoiling it too much for anyone who is yet to see it), Benfica come into the story.
Now there's a huge club (far bigger than Tottenham or Man City), yet no place for the likes of them in this MML.
 
HoofGrantBrown said:
To be slightly fair to those who formed the Premier League, they did not ever close the drawbridge to the rest of us.
Although of course, that has been proposed at various times, notably by the epitome of cheating twats, Bolton Wanderers.
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Actually the original intention was pay no money from the Premier League TV rights to the rest of the football league, forming a de facto cartel pretty much

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...e-at-25-sky-tv-deal-club-owners-fans-betrayed
 
So if they get their way, would continue in domestic leagues. Given the fact would have to prioritise the ‘super’ league ( I refuse to capitalise it) wouldn’t it be hilarious if Spurs got relegated from the Premier league and ended up worse off
 
Brendan Bradley said:
Real Madrid and Barcelona are 100% fan-owned clubs Their presidents are lifelong fans.

Spurs are effectively owned by Joe Lewis and run by his protegé Daniel Levy, a lifelong Tottenham supporter.
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Agreed, Spurs is one of 6 British owned Premier League Clubs, and is disappointing. The other five ESL clubs have foreign ownership.
 
gijsbert_bos said:
It did however set in motion the never-ending greedy pursuit of a larger and larger slice of the pie by the top clubs.

Edit: and of course the goal of securing a permanent place at the "top table". This is just the natural next step. The current big clubs are petrified of losing their positions and the cash it brings. The Spanish clubs are up to their eyeballs in debt, wages continue to rise, the threat of Newcastle being taken over by the Saudis is huge to these clubs.

It's so sad. It used to be great that clubs like Red Star, Forest, Villa and Ipswich could have success in Europe. Ajax even. These selfish pillocks want the same dozen clubs to be winning everything. How dull.
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Surely the fans of Real Madrid all have 2nd and 3rd mortgages to help service the debt. After all they are fan owned aren't they?
 
Will be interesting to see what Pep Guardiola's press conference will be like in an hours time? The silence from Man City's owners is very unlike them and worrying, despite them being in a no-win situation. They haven't invested for the past 13 years to then suddenly decline a place at the perceived 'top table' ... but then again alienate the entire Blues fanbase in the process.
 
Brendan Bradley said:
Real Madrid and Barcelona are 100% fan-owned clubs Their presidents are lifelong fans.

Spurs are effectively owned by Joe Lewis and run by his protegé Daniel Levy, a lifelong Tottenham supporter.
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Apologies if this link has been cited previously in this thread, but Perez, president of Real and of ESL thinks the ESL is 'essential to save football'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56812151

Twat.

Real and Barca may be '100% fan owned' but Perez, his predecessors and equivalents at Barca have a track record of being elected by unsustainable promises to starry-eyed electors. IIRC Real are (or were) in a 'permanent state of bankrupcy' which dare not be called in by creditors.

A far from ideal alternative model.
 
Norfolk Imp said:
Will be interesting to see what Pep Guardiola's press conference will be like in an hours time? The silence from Man City's owners is very unlike them and worrying, despite them being in a no-win situation. They haven't invested for the past 13 years to then suddenly decline a place at the perceived 'top table' ... but then again alienate the entire Blues fanbase in the process.
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'Silence from the owners' is default mode for all of this from all clubs, they're all putting their managers in difficult situations which Klopp handled well last night.

They clearly don't give a monkeys about alienating the fan base, that's nt where the money lies.

Man City RIP, along with Liverpool and the others.
 
Chesterimp said:
'Silence from the owners' is default mode for all of this from all clubs, they're all putting their managers in difficult situations which Klopp handled well last night.

They clearly don't give a monkeys about alienating the fan base, that's nt where the money lies.

Man City RIP, along with Liverpool and the others.
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We're all "legacy fans", and not what they want to attract at all..
 
stokeimp said:
Agreed, Spurs is one of 6 British owned Premier League Clubs, and is disappointing. The other five ESL clubs have foreign ownership.
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Yes and No.

ENIC Group (formerly English National Investment Company) is a British investment company. ENIC is owned by Joe Lewis (through Tavistock Group). ENIC is Bahamas-registered subsidiary, ENIC International Limited, currently holds 85.55% of the total issued share capital of English Premier League club, Tottenham Hotspur.

Daniel Levy and his family own 29.4% of the share capital of ENIC, while Lewis owns 70.6%.

Joe Lewis is East End London born, but is a tax exile, living on a Super Yacht in the Bahamas.
 
NottyImp said:
The Sunday Times is a rag on a par with the The Daily Mail. I can just about read the daily edition which still contains some actual journalism.
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The Times remains for me the best UK newspaper, clearly separates 'reporting' from analysis (which is usually top notch), and has a good range of columnists from across the political spectrum. Sadly its sister Sunday Paper falls a long way short of those standards and Bandwagon Shipman is part of that.

Henry Winter, and his colleagues, on PBP and now ESL continues to write with a passion which shows an understanding of the game, unlike the ESL proposers.
 
Just reading about some of the bare faced lies told by the main protagonists.
Ed Woodward told UEFA only on Thursday he was happy with Champions league reforms. When rumours reached UEFA on Saturday and the President called Agnelli chairman of Juventus he told him they were just rumours and he would call him back, then turned his phone off.
When Woodward was asked direct about the rumours he said I don’t know where that story
has come from.
 
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