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The Summer 2023 Transfer Thread

Pangloss said:
Archer is clearly a lot better than Watkins was at the same age, Watkins was pottering around at Exeter after all. Archer for me is better 'naturally' than Watkins but he is not yet near Watkins' level. Archer will develop a lot more with first team football than our bench.
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That's what 57 was talking about yesterday. Archer might be England's number 9 when he is 27 but he isn't there right now and it will take years of work to get there. We don't have time to wait for him to get there and he can't be hanging around on our bench until he is 25.
 
BodyButter said:
That's what 57 was talking about yesterday. Archer might be England's number 9 when he is 27 but he isn't there right now and it will take years of work to get there. We don't have time to wait for him to get there and he can't be hanging around on our bench until he is 25.
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Keeping him on our bench will stunt his development. If however we can basically loan him out to Sheffield United for a couple of seasons then we can buy him back for an agreed price and get a better player back for it.
 
Pangloss said:
Keeping him on our bench will stunt his development. If however we can basically loan him out to Sheffield United for a couple of seasons then we can buy him back for an agreed price and get a better player back for it.
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plenty of opportunity for game time and surely the development prospects are better being coached by Emery than whoever manages sheff utd (or burnley for that matter).
tbf bit academic as clearly emery doesn't rate him or won't be putting duran on ahead of him.

doubt we'll see any player back even if they excel that's got one of these mythical buyback clauses as they in the main are a nonsense
(unless we're compelled to buy him again when they are relegated)
 
I get the logic of using the academy as a cash cow to provide funds for the first team. But what I really don’t get is how we’re going to manage around the European squad rules on home grown players. If we sell Archer, Philogene + Aaron Ramsey has gone already then it’s not like we can replace them with better players, because we’re already over the permitted squad limits as it is and that’s before you start removing the home grown slots which we would no longer be able to fill. Unless we leave several senior players out of the European squad, which seems unnecessarily messy
 
david-avfc said:
I get the logic of using the academy as a cash cow to provide funds for the first team. But what I really don’t get is how we’re going to manage around the European squad rules on home grown players. If we sell Archer, Philogene + Aaron Ramsey has gone already then it’s not like we can replace them with better players, because we’re already over the permitted squad limits as it is and that’s before you start removing the home grown slots which we would no longer be able to fill. Unless we leave several senior players out of the European squad, which seems unnecessarily messy
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"" Out of the 25, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" or homegrown players. Out of the eight, not more than four can be "association-trained players [denoted by * below]" and the rest must be "club-trained [denoted by ** below]". ""

Four homegrown, four club grown can be included in the 25. If you don't have four club grown, your maximum squad size is 21. If Ramsey is our only club grown player, our maximum registered European squad size will be 22, with anyone under 21 this year able to play without registering.

Martinez*, Olsen; Cash*, Chambers*, Konsa*, Carlos, Torres, Moreno, New LB; Kamara, Dendoncker, Douglas Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn, Zaniolo, Ramsey**, Coutinho; Diaby, Watkins*, Duran, Traore, Bailey

That makes 22.
 
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ldgavfc said:
"" Out of the 25, eight places are reserved exclusively for "locally trained players" or homegrown players. Out of the eight, not more than four can be "association-trained players" and the rest must be "club-trained". ""

Four homegrown, four club grown can be included in the 25. If you don't have four club grown, your maximum squad size is 21. If Ramsey is our only club grown player, our maximum registered European squad size will be 22, with anyone under 21 this year able to play without registering.

Martinez*, Olsen; Cash*, Chambers*, Konsa*, Carlos, Torres, Moreno, New LB; Kamara, Dendoncker, Douglas Luiz, Tielemans, McGinn, Zaniolo, Ramsey**; Diaby, Watkins*, Duran, Traore

That makes 20, leaves two more spaces free for any more new signings who can be foreign.
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So we’re just ignoring Coutinho and Bailey…? Also assuming Mings and Buendia are out for the season not just 6-7 months and therefore the club is planning to de-register them for the entire season, maybe that is the case but at the moment it’s not confirmed.

But the point remains, Philogene and Archer are extra players to the squad which we can’t replace due to the squad restrictions
 
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