The Politics Thread

[mike_field]

Len McCluskey, outgoing general secretary of Unite, criticises the Labour leader in his new autobiography.
He claims the party will fail to win back "red wall" seats lost to the Tories at the last general election and accuses Sir Keir of an "anti-democratic-crackdown on the left".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58188208

That would be the seats that defected whilst you were sucking off Corbyn Len?

"He still had the opportunity to change course, unite his party around a radical platform and make the promised 'moral case for socialism'.
"But he needed to realise that if the ship he was captaining listed too far to the right, it would go under."

Or would it come out of the water having submerged itself with the maniacal left, if Starmer can get a message and not have to deal with bellends like you who helped cause the problem in the first place?

 

[The Fear]

A radical platform that the voter dismissed completely out of hand. Deluded fools.

 

[Pangloss]

Len McCluskey, outgoing general secretary of Unite, criticises the Labour leader in his new autobiography.
He claims the party will fail to win back "red wall" seats lost to the Tories at the last general election and accuses Sir Keir of an "anti-democratic-crackdown on the left".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58188208

That would be the seats that defected whilst you were sucking off Corbyn Len?

"He still had the opportunity to change course, unite his party around a radical platform and make the promised 'moral case for socialism'.
"But he needed to realise that if the ship he was captaining listed too far to the right, it would go under."

Or would it come out of the water having submerged itself with the maniacal left, if Starmer can get a message and not have to deal with bellends like you who helped cause the problem in the first place?

Good riddance, the man is an absolute virus.

 

[astonion2]

I am a lifelong Tory voter. The first time I got to vote Norman Fowler was standing for parliament for the first time and I voted for him. So I have been voting for them for a long time. Fowler is now a Lord. Having said that it does worry me having no opposition to the government. If you dont have an opposition you have a dictatorship rather than a democracy. I dont like hung parliaments because nothing gets done but if you have a smaller majority the backbenchers then have some control. I have no idea why people vote for the minor parties such as the Lib Dems or the one and only Green. They have no influence in Parliament whatsoever. We have a first past the post system and the Tories will never change it. Labour had the chance to when Blair was in office but they thought it would always be them or the Tories. Because of this we will never have a consensus that truly represents all parts of the country or the people. There is not a day when I dont cringe at something this Government have done or are doing. But there is nothing to stop them. The Labour Party is the only viable opposition and they need to get their act together for the sake of the country. Sadly Starmer is not the answer and I dont know who is. I am in my twilight years and just as long as I get my pension every month I am not really affected by what happens but I do care and I care what happens to future generations. Sorry to be so boring.

 

[The Fear]

I I dont like hung parliaments

Quite a few in Parliament who should have been hung over the years though!

Interesting post though astonion, I never liked the feeling in Four Oaks that no matter who I voted for, I'd get a Tory. I understand Scotland feeling that way as well.

As you say, whoever is in power, you need a decent opposition. I don't think we have that many decent politicians full stop at the moment, or maybe they are just slightly obscured by the amount of ridiculous characters and charlatans at the moment.

I quite liked the Libs getting a bit of a say in the parliament that was hung, I felt it took the nasty edges (only the edges) off the Tories. However, it also destroyed them.

 

[Pangloss]

Sadly Starmer is not the answer and I dont know who is.

If the answer is to the question, "who you prefer in charge, Johnson or Starmer?". Then I have to disagree with you.

The only thing with Starmer is whether he's more of a Neil Kinnock. There to try to reform the party as best possible after Corbyn destroyed it (akin to Kinnock picking up Michael Foot's mess) and to chisel away at the Tory majority. So Starmer might well not be the one to actually become PM but if he can purge the far left element substantially then he will at least achieve something.

Corbyn dragged the party back a good 40 years, that takes some undoing. Look at the morons who are still MPs, look at all the fucktards who signed up to be members under the Corbyn regime, it's a hell of a lot to unwind.

 

[wittonite]

I am a lifelong Tory voter. The first time I got to vote Norman Fowler was standing for parliament for the first time and I voted for him. So I have been voting for them for a long time. Fowler is now a Lord. Having said that it does worry me having no opposition to the government. If you dont have an opposition you have a dictatorship rather than a democracy. I dont like hung parliaments because nothing gets done but if you have a smaller majority the backbenchers then have some control. I have no idea why people vote for the minor parties such as the Lib Dems or the one and only Green. They have no influence in Parliament whatsoever. We have a first past the post system and the Tories will never change it. Labour had the chance to when Blair was in office but they thought it would always be them or the Tories. Because of this we will never have a consensus that truly represents all parts of the country or the people. There is not a day when I dont cringe at something this Government have done or are doing. But there is nothing to stop them. The Labour Party is the only viable opposition and they need to get their act together for the sake of the country. Sadly Starmer is not the answer and I dont know who is. I am in my twilight years and just as long as I get my pension every month I am not really affected by what happens but I do care and I care what happens to future generations. Sorry to be so boring.

If you could fast forward in this country fifty years or so when the Muslim birth rate and more immigration has swelled numbers you will then see a third party.
There will inevitably be an Islamic inspired political party in the UK, and across much of Europe.
All it takes is the will to organise and sufficent numbers of like minded people.

 

[astonion2]

If the answer is to the question, "who you prefer in charge, Johnson or Starmer?". Then I have to disagree with you.

The only thing with Starmer is whether he's more of a Neil Kinnock. There to try to reform the party as best possible after Corbyn destroyed it (akin to Kinnock picking up Michael Foot's mess) and to chisel away at the Tory majority. So Starmer might well not be the one to actually become PM but if he can purge the far left element substantially then he will at least achieve something.

Corbyn dragged the party back a good 40 years, that takes some undoing. Look at the morons who are still MPs, look at all the fucktards who signed up to be members under the Corbyn regime, it's a hell of a lot to unwind.

I think that Johnson will be replaced as leader within 18 months so a new PM will then be in place. His popularity is starting to wan and they wont take the chance of him leading them into the next election.

 

[wittonite]

I think that Johnson will be replaced as leader within 18 months so a new PM will then be in place. His popularity is starting to wan and they wont take the chance of him leading them into the next election.

Really dont think he will last that long.

 

[BodyButter]

If you could fast forward in this country fifty years or so when the Muslim birth rate and more immigration has swelled numbers you will then see a third party.
There will inevitably be an Islamic inspired political party in the UK, and across much of Europe.
All it takes is the will to organise and sufficent numbers of like minded people.

As you know, I live in a Muslim country and I don't know any Muslims that want Islamic rule here. They can see what's going on in Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan and want no part of it.

Really, Muslims are just like us. They want to pay off their mortgage and send their kids to school. They have a lot of societal pressure to be seen to comply with their religion but that's no different to 1950's Ireland or 1900s England.

 

[Villan57]

As you know, I live in a Muslim country and I don't know any Muslims that want Islamic rule here. They can see what's going on in Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan and want no part of it.

Really, Muslims are just like us. They want to pay off their mortgage and send their kids to school. They have a lot of societal pressure to be seen to comply with their religion but that's no different to 1950's Ireland or 1900s England.

As I've mentioned before Mrs 57 had a staff nurse work for her at City Hospital, she's a Muslim convert, had to convert because her Husband who is a consultant gynaecologist made her, she was a catholic from the Philippines. She has quoted sharia law to my Mrs and is so brainwashed she thinks it applies here. These are educated people in very responsible jobs but use Sharia law to sort problems, they don't have Mortgages as they are not allowed to borrow money so they have Muslim Mortgages where the bank has to own the property and you pay them back a higher price . All to satisfy Muslim laws.
They'd have us all on this stuff and are quite happy with it but no they aren't just like us.

 

[wittonite]

As you know, I live in a Muslim country and I don't know any Muslims that want Islamic rule here. They can see what's going on in Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan and want no part of it.

Really, Muslims are just like us. They want to pay off their mortgage and send their kids to school. They have a lot of societal pressure to be seen to comply with their religion but that's no different to 1950's Ireland or 1900s England.

Yes I know you do BB.
We had Muslim neighbours when we lived in Brum, and they were great.
Mums neighbours in Aston were Muslim and were so kind to her when dad died.
I am not bothered about those people.
Its the hard liners we have here in the UK that are the problem.
The like of Anjem Choudry and his Al Muhajiroun group, now banned, and the radicals that we have had preaching anti western values in the Mosques.
We already have Sharia in the UK being used to settle disputes and marriages, with an approxomate 80 councils in existance, so it is already in place, and their decisions have been enfoced in British courts, which has caused some consternation.
Radical Islam is a threat to the west, and at its core are extremists with a warped view of their religion, and sadly we have more than our fair share of them here in the UK.

 

[mike_field]

As you know, I live in a Muslim country and I don't know any Muslims that want Islamic rule here. They can see what's going on in Saudi, Iran and Afghanistan and want no part of it.

Really, Muslims are just like us. They want to pay off their mortgage and send their kids to school. They have a lot of societal pressure to be seen to comply with their religion but that's no different to 1950's Ireland or 1900s England.

Religion in this country will be massively different in another 50 as well given the crop of youngsters who already campaign for greater freedoms/rights etc within Islam.

Westernisation is the wrong phrase as it's just natural growth and older religions have already gone through it.

 

[mike_field]

As I've mentioned before Mrs 57 had a staff nurse work for her at City Hospital, she's a Muslim convert, had to convert because her Husband who is a consultant gynaecologist made her, she was a catholic from the Philippines. She has quoted sharia law to my Mrs and is so brainwashed she thinks it applies here. These are educated people in very responsible jobs but use Sharia law to sort problems, they don't have Mortgages as they are not allowed to borrow money so they have Muslim Mortgages where the bank has to own the property and you pay them back a higher price . All to satisfy Muslim laws.
They'd have us all on this stuff and are quite happy with it but no they aren't just like us.

Nonsense mate. You can't take one example of an idiot and apply it to millions. That's not the religion, she's easily led and a natural sheep and no doubt if she hadn't converted she'd have ended up a mentalist end of the world apocalypse type if extreme Catholics had got their fingers in.

I've not known a single Muslim who backed Sharia Law or even wanted to be devout - they did just enough, like people of other religions.

Some people just follow blindly.

ps a creditor gaining from an interest payment is also against Christian law, Jewish law and most other religious laws - it's not Islam specific.

 

[mike_field]

Y
We already have Sharia in the UK being used to settle disputes and marriages, with an approxomate 80 councils in existance, so it is already in place, and their decisions have been enfoced in British courts, which has caused some consternation.

I was with you until the above bit.

Sharia Law (sic) is basically arbitration and only binding if you accept the decision, just like other arbitration tribunals. It operates firmly within our legal system.

Decisions have not been enforced in a UK Court and the only ones claiming that are the usual idiots like Farage and the ilk of the Daily Mail, which is funny because their own article explains why it wasn't actually 'enforced'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-British-court-recognise-sharia-law-time.html

 

[danvilla2]

Around 50% of my street are Muslim or Asian, my immediate neighbours next door are of Bangladeshi descent. These are more westernised families, but honestly they’re all wonderful. Very respectful, almost apologetic at times. They send Christmas cards, bring the kids over and chat to our kids. Never have any issues with more important things, such as those busy bodies who try to challenge every planning application going or kick off about parking all the time.

The nosiest and most disruptive families are the Brits.

 

[BodyButter]

Yes I know you do BB.
We had Muslim neighbours when we lived in Brum, and they were great.
Mums neighbours in Aston were Muslim and were so kind to her when dad died.
I am not bothered about those people.
Its the hard liners we have here in the UK that are the problem.
The like of Anjem Choudry and his Al Muhajiroun group, now banned, and the radicals that we have had preaching anti western values in the Mosques.
We already have Sharia in the UK being used to settle disputes and marriages, with an approxomate 80 councils in existance, so it is already in place, and their decisions have been enfoced in British courts, which has caused some consternation.
Radical Islam is a threat to the west, and at its core are extremists with a warped view of their religion, and sadly we have more than our fair share of them here in the UK.

You can't judge a billion people off a handful of nutters. Tommy Robinson isn't representative of all English people. Neither are the England fans throwing plastic chairs at each other.

Radical Islam isn't a threat to 'The West' any more than the IRA, UDA, ETA or any of the others were. It has absolutely no chance of successfully overthrowing any western democracies. 'The West' can overthrow any government in the Muslim world any time it wants. Despite being egged up as a battle of equals and a fight to the death, the struggle between radical Islam and 'The West' is anything but. It's trillion dollar armies against a few uneducated farmer's children in caves.

 

[BodyButter]

As I've mentioned before Mrs 57 had a staff nurse work for her at City Hospital, she's a Muslim convert, had to convert because her Husband who is a consultant gynaecologist made her, she was a catholic from the Philippines. She has quoted sharia law to my Mrs and is so brainwashed she thinks it applies here. These are educated people in very responsible jobs but use Sharia law to sort problems, they don't have Mortgages as they are not allowed to borrow money so they have Muslim Mortgages where the bank has to own the property and you pay them back a higher price . All to satisfy Muslim laws.
They'd have us all on this stuff and are quite happy with it but no they aren't just like us.

They don't have mortgages but they have mortgages?

 

[danvilla2]

Mortgages where the bank has to own the property and you pay them back a higher price .

I know nothing about mortgages for Muslims, but isn’t that effectively what we do? The bank owns the property until it’s paid off with interest, so your £300k house you end up paying £450k over the course of 30 years. Surely the dynamics of Finance mean it nets out to being the same sort of thing?

 

[wittonite]

You can't judge a billion people off a handful of nutters. Tommy Robinson isn't representative of all English people. Neither are the England fans throwing plastic chairs at each other.

Radical Islam isn't a threat to 'The West' any more than the IRA, UDA, ETA or any of the others were. It has absolutely no chance of successfully overthrowing any western democracies. 'The West' can overthrow any government in the Muslim world any time it wants. Despite being egged up as a battle of equals and a fight to the death, the struggle between radical Islam and 'The West' is anything but. It's trillion dollar armies against a few uneducated farmer's children in caves.

Get all that, but go and tell that to the yanks and the British who despite throwing trillions of dollars at the problem are walking away with their tails between their legs because you cant beat an ideology.
IRA,UDA,ETA are small time by comparison, and Tommy Robinson and England nutter sthrowing chairs arent going round killing people.
Tell it to the people of France where there have been attacks.
However I suppose this is what you get when you go poking your nose into other countries business.