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Summer transfer thread

Michael schenker said:
It was that young goalkeeper that we signed from torquay?... matt wonnacott
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Have we actually signed Matt Wonnacott?
There's been no official announcement and he's not on the player profiles like the other 3 U23s we signed recently.
I know Torquays manager claimed it earlier this year but I've seen nothing else.
 
Just been reading Leeds have offered Joffy a 5 year deal upping his wage from £16,000 to £24,000 a week. Not a lot really for a future star
 
moonay said:
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... yeah, you're right ... so long as we don't count Anthony Barry (ex Tics coach now with Chelsea), Nick Colgan (ex Tics coach now with Forest), Eddie Howe (through reporting on Kell Watts' loan from Newcastle), working previously under both Sam Allardyce and Roy Hodgson (admittedly both now not employed in the Prem), plus not forgetting of course, James Beattie's contacts at Southampton, Everton, Rangers and Leeds.

I'll be honest, I've no idea if he cultivates any of those contacts, or indeed, how many more he might have (David Weir at Brighton for example, through the transfer of Jensen, or Bielsa at Leeds though keeping tabs on Joffy), but I'm certainly not going to think that he doesn't have any, just because I don't know about them!
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I can smell the desperation in that post. Not gonna lie I burst out laughing when you included a goalkeeping coach, like he would have any say whatsoever in any loan deals at Nottingham Forest. Ditto James Beattie at Leeds whom he left years ago for Middlesbrough, whom he thought would give him a better chance of promotion (only to be sacked months into the job whilst Leeds transformed under Bielsa. I'm sure in your mind he's got Jesse Marsch on a hotline though! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Loans are decided largely by style of play, big clubs want their young talent to go to clubs which replicate their style of football to make the transition to their first team easier. Those clubs make individual pitches for the player they want and the parent club decides. Unless of course their is a personal relationship between manager and the parent club's manager/owner (Lampard at Chelsea, Rooney at Man Utd, Kompany at Man City, Ryan Lowe being best mates with Steven Gerrard etc). Like it or not, Paul Cook had plenty of contacts and was clearly an excellent pitcher. His assistant pales in comparison on that front and until hoofball dinosaurs like Tony Pulis or Big Sam are back in the Premier League, our style of play will appeal to nobody.
 
C_Latic said:
I can smell the desperation in that post. Not gonna lie I burst out laughing when you included a goalkeeping coach, like he would have any say whatsoever in any loan deals at Nottingham Forest. Ditto James Beattie at Leeds whom he left years ago for Middlesbrough, whom he thought would give him a better chance of promotion (only to be sacked months into the job whilst Leeds transformed under Bielsa. I'm sure in your mind he's got Jesse Marsch on a hotline though! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Loans are decided largely by style of play, big clubs want their young talent to go to clubs which replicate their style of football to make the transition to their first team easier. Those clubs make individual pitches for the player they want and the parent club decides. Unless of course their is a personal relationship between manager and the parent club's manager/owner (Lampard at Chelsea, Rooney at Man Utd, Kompany at Man City, Ryan Lowe being best mates with Steven Gerrard etc). Like it or not, Paul Cook had plenty of contacts and was clearly an excellent pitcher. His assistant pales in comparison on that front and until hoofball dinosaurs like Tony Pulis or Big Sam are back in the Premier League, our style of play will appeal to nobody.
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How do you know Leam “pales into comparison” with Cook? What a joke of a post that is. You know eff all (like most of us) when it comes to what is going on behind the scenes. My advice to you is just to button it
 
SwindonLatic said:
How do you know Leam “pales into comparison” with Cook? What a joke of a post that is. You know eff all (like most of us) when it comes to what is going on behind the scenes. My advice to you is just to button it
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Oh bore off. Leam Richardson is clearly an excellent coach, but Paul Cook has more charisma in his big toe than Leam Richardson has entirely. I can only listen to him talk for about 20 seconds in an interview before I lose concentration and that's even after beating Bolton 0-4 or winning the league. So god help him when pitching to free agents/loan players/clubs.
 
C_Latic said:
Oh bore off. Leam Richardson is clearly an excellent coach, but Paul Cook has more charisma in his big toe than Leam Richardson has entirely. I can only listen to him talk for about 20 seconds in an interview before I lose concentration and that's even after beating Bolton 0-4 or winning the league. So god help him when pitching to free agents/loan players/clubs.
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There are of course loan players that are deemed not quite good enough to make a Premier League first team ... or a loan with a view to a future sale (to recoup the high u23 wages).
Maybe those are the type of players being looked at.
.... or are there any ex Chesterfield players available ?

Everton have off loaded a few of those players in recent years.

Conor McAleny
Fransisco Junior
John Lundstram (released not loaned)
Jonjoe Kenny
Luke Garbage
Callum Connolly
Beni Baningime
Joe Williams

Antonee Robinson (Everton missed something there)
Matthew Pennington (not a Wigan loanee of course) etc etc

The club needs to find the next rough diamond ... a la John Egan (Cedric was not quite in that league).

I still wonder why any player would want to sign for a club that offers a 24 year old player a 1 year deal ... and why that player would accept that risky deal. If he gets injured, he is f**cked.
 
OnLoanfromEnfield said:
There are of course loan players that are deemed not quite good enough to make a Premier League first team ... or a loan with a view to a future sale (to recoup the high u23 wages).
Maybe those are the type of players being looked at.
.... or are there any ex Chesterfield players available ?

Everton have off loaded a few of those players in recent years.

Conor McAleny
Fransisco Junior
John Lundstram (released not loaned)
Jonjoe Kenny
Luke Garbage
Callum Connolly
Beni Baningime
Joe Williams

Antonee Robinson (Everton missed something there)
Matthew Pennington (not a Wigan loanee of course) etc etc

The club needs to find the next rough diamond ... a la John Egan (Cedric was not quite in that league).

I still wonder why any player would want to sign for a club that offers a 24 year old player a 1 year deal ... and why that player would accept that risky deal. If he gets injured, he is f**cked.
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I'd be willing to bet the farm (if I had one) that there's an option for an extra year on that deal which can triggered by either the club or player. I like to call it the "Gavin Massey option" as despite being perennially injured/not arsed, he triggered such an option last summer which meant that we couldn't release him and had to pay his massive wages for an extra year.
 
king_dezeeuw06 said:
When you look around the league we appear to have both the least ins and outs and I think that is deliberate.

I've seen various members of our hierarchy talk about the importance of continuity and I think there is a philosophy that what we may gain by trying to recruit better players we may lose what we already have in this group. Which by all accounts is an exceptional dressing room, work ethic and spirit. I think there is a mindfulness over doing a Caldwell and signing too many players too quickly, taking apart what got you up and ending up worse off for spending more money.

With the amount of changes at other clubs and the lack of changes here we are probably one of the most cohesive sides with no gelling, no settling in and everyone knows exactly what their role is and is experienced in performing it. I think we believe the spirit, mentality and momentum from last season can be carried over.

If you look at how we played last season we were often relying on out running, out battling, out working teams rather than out playing them and it looks like we plan to keep that approach. With that in mind we are probably not looking to upgrade individual players quality unless they have the other attributes we know our current players have.

It's not a case of you don't try and sign anyone, but there are loads of decent players we could've had but it seems like we only want players who are a massive trade up on what we have.

If that is the case it is very bold and one of those that if it works it'll look a masterstroke but if it doesn't it'll look like you were asking for trouble.

The other thing is we have another month after the start of the season before the window shuts, so if we start badly we will have a chance to bring in reinforcements.

I'm not saying this approach is right or wrong as we'll not know until we see how it works. But I get the impression that could be the reason for our quiet summer.
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Those qualities you mention above KDZ are essential qualities in any team. I remember reading something i think Brian Clough it was who said you don't necessarily need to have the best players. But if you have that bond & team spirit you can achieve anything. Or it was words to similar effect.
 
C_Latic said:
I can smell the desperation in that post. Not gonna lie I burst out laughing when you included a goalkeeping coach, like he would have any say whatsoever in any loan deals at Nottingham Forest. Ditto James Beattie at Leeds whom he left years ago for Middlesbrough, whom he thought would give him a better chance of promotion (only to be sacked months into the job whilst Leeds transformed under Bielsa. I'm sure in your mind he's got Jesse Marsch on a hotline though! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Loans are decided largely by style of play, big clubs want their young talent to go to clubs which replicate their style of football to make the transition to their first team easier. Those clubs make individual pitches for the player they want and the parent club decides. Unless of course their is a personal relationship between manager and the parent club's manager/owner (Lampard at Chelsea, Rooney at Man Utd, Kompany at Man City, Ryan Lowe being best mates with Steven Gerrard etc). Like it or not, Paul Cook had plenty of contacts and was clearly an excellent pitcher. His assistant pales in comparison on that front and until hoofball dinosaurs like Tony Pulis or Big Sam are back in the Premier League, our style of play will appeal to nobody.
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You may be surprised CL, but I agree with you re Cookie having more charisma than Richardson. I obviously don't agree with all your other excuses (like a "contact" would only deal in or have knowledge about their own specialist position, or that players leave clubs with a clean slate), but there's no doubt that Cookie was far more comfortable in front of a camera than Leam seems to be.

That said, you don't do loan deals - nor purchases - in front of a camera, so the "sales pitch" isn't such a public affair, and given that last season, we brought in Wyke, McClean, Power, Naylor, Cousins, Amos, Whatmough, Edwards, Humphreys, Bennett, Shinnie, even Jones, and retained Keane and Lang, someone was obviously doing a half decent job of selling the club to those players.

As for our style of play, sorry mate, but it's not even worth a retort. Like most teams, we play well sometimes, and less well others. The thing is, when we didn't play well, we still got results. We scored goals with direct football, we scored goals with passing football, we scored goals from set pieces. Apparently, Sheff Weds played some superb stuff on Saturday ... 'nuff said.
 
ZAKKY said:
The thing we need to remember John is something Tal said recently about the club working under EFL restrictions for two more seasons, this may be restricting our spending power.
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I mentioned the same thing recently in reply to some of those that were over egging the recent late payment of the wages. The new owners agreed to a package of measures with the EFL to stabilise the finances and keep the club within budgets.

Perhaps you are right Zakky and they are simply adhering to the terms of their agreement not to overspend and put the club in financial difficulty, personally I think it is simply that they have identified the needs within the squad and are playing the waiting game for the right players to be available.

As KDZ has said if it works they will be hailed as geniuses, if it fails, then they will have to take the criticism.
 
TRUE BELIEVER said:
I mentioned the same thing recently in reply to some of those that were over egging the recent late payment of the wages. The new owners agreed to a package of measures with the EFL to stabilise the finances and keep the club within budgets.

Perhaps you are right Zakky and they are simply adhering to the terms of their agreement not to overspend and put the club in financial difficulty, personally I think it is simply that they have identified the needs within the squad and are playing the waiting game for the right players to be available.

As KDZ has said if it works they will be hailed as geniuses, if it fails, then they will have to take the criticism.
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I dont want to be critical of a team that just won the league but I've seen no improvement in pre season tactics wise or playing wise and I dont think this set of players are good enough to mix it in the Championship.
I really hope your right regarding a waiting game but I'm not convinced that's the case. Sadly under Leam I dont think we will ever be an attractive team to watch, the team mirrors the managers character.
 
ZAKKY said:
I dont want to be critical of a team that just won the league but I've seen no improvement in pre season tactics wise or playing wise and I dont think this set of players are good enough to mix it in the Championship.
I really hope your right regarding a waiting game but I'm not convinced that's the case. Sadly under Leam I dont think we will ever be an attractive team to watch, the team mirrors the managers character.
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No doubt we will find out over the next few weeks if the squad is good enough.

I think you may be right about the football we will play, in that I doubt the tactics and style from last season will change.

I think Leam bases his tactics on being a strong defensive unit with the ability to catch teams on the break or from set pieces. If that is good enough to keep us above the relegation zone then that will be good enough for me, I am not looking for us to be an enterprising team full of exciting players at this point.

I think that is something we should be moving towards over the coming seasons, this season should be devoted to establishing ourselves in the division, and I believe the squad is capable of doing that.

As I said we will no doubt find out over the coming weeks, but until then I will remain positive, live in hope and leave the speculation to others.
 
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