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shotshy said:
I'd also like to add that I have exactly the same level of qualification for this post as the current Education Secretary . :wahey:
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You have the job shotshy. You are better qualified as you cannot possibly have such an irritating voice and manner as Williamson. I take it I can rely on you to cover when I bunk off for the odd afternoon.
 
GRSGimmer said:
I am sure we could come up with a list of school related jobs for our resident posters - Wayne would be Head teacher, Gills58 would be an all rounder who could teach almost anything being a former teacher, Nobby - in charge of school security, Tarian would be political studies with responsibility for school discipline, LSB2 would be in charge of the school panto as he likes a laugh and also organise the school Xmas booze up, School secretary would surely fit ChrisWho, AK would teach English literature with his long essays, VG would promote equal opportunities especially kids from a BAME background, and I would be the doddery old caretaker. Any others?
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Buddha as careers officer
 
GRSGimmer said:
I am sure we could come up with a list of school related jobs for our resident posters - Wayne would be Head teacher, Gills58 would be an all rounder who could teach almost anything being a former teacher, Nobby - in charge of school security, Tarian would be political studies with responsibility for school discipline, LSB2 would be in charge of the school panto as he likes a laugh and also organise the school Xmas booze up, School secretary would surely fit ChrisWho, AK would teach English literature with his long essays, VG would promote equal opportunities especially kids from a BAME background, and I would be the doddery old caretaker. Any others?
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I can think of a couple of posters who would have interesting Religious Education classes.
 
Gills 58 said:
The 3 year deal as I've just read it/understand it was
3%
1.67%
1.7%

Wow. If it had been on top of what I got in the public sector since 2010, that deal would have followed, iirc
0%
0%
0%
0%
1%
1%
1%

About 10% over 10 years. In real terms that's quite a cut.

Of course, whether that's shabby, given how much they've raved about them over Covid is a matter of opinion for us all. I tend to feel that they've been taken for granted. I'm old and cynical enough to think that in a few years (or less) they will go back to taking them for granted again. The majority will be dedicated, professional and generous enough to put up with it again and I suspect the Government knows it.
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Which as Nitram pointed out, omits the micro-promotions with pay increments available to many public sector workers - some annual and near automatic.

Every year, teachers at my small local Primary School have been awarded a pay 'increment' (i.e. micro-promotion over and above the basic +1%)

If you look at the website for (IIRC), College of Nursing, automatic 'increments' were phased out only very recently.

So by all means let's debate absolute and relative pay levels ......
....noting that many (if not most) public sector staff HAVE been getting cash increases more than the headline '1%' - while many private sector staff have had 0% increases.
 
Tarian said:
Which as Nitram pointed out, omits the micro-promotions with pay increments available to many public sector workers - some annual and near automatic.

Every year, teachers at my small local Primary School have been awarded a pay 'increment' (i.e. micro-promotion over and above the basic +1%)

If you look at the website for (IIRC), College of Nursing, automatic 'increments' were phased out only very recently.

So by all means let's debate absolute and relative pay levels ......
....noting that many (if not most) public sector staff HAVE been getting cash increases more than the headline '1%' - while many private sector staff have had 0% increases.
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Oi, Tarian, I'm still waiting for your response to my post (#2,459) on the, 'Coronavirus tipping point' thread.

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've just not seen it.

The alternative is to conclude that you're just a disingenuous trouble maker who might be clever at dissecting others' posts and then quoting out of context to give a false impression of what they've said, but not a lot else.

And that can't be true, can it?!
 
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I'm amazed that so many schools have severe trouble recruiting decent staff considering what a good deal the public sector have been getting for years.

I can't understand why people haven't taken advantage of this cushy number, what with all these increments just for turning up. Now, it seems you don't even have to turn up any more.

It's time the tabloids launched a war against these lefty layabouts.
 
£100 billion is the latest minimum figure being banded about as to how much this is likely to cost the government. I feel we are a bit Sunackered.
 
Jerryattrick said:
But the right thing has been done by this tory socialist government lol.
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When have the Conservatives been opposed to a temporary "safety net" for those in serious trouble or "a help up" for those wanting to improve ?

Quite different from Socialist, arbitrary "re-distribution" and broad-range cradle-to-grave, as much as possible for as many people as possible, let's create more Agencies and jobs-for-the-comrades....
.....and to hell with whoever is left to actually create the wealth required to fund that little lot.....
 
Tarian said:
When have the Conservatives been opposed to a temporary "safety net" for those in serious trouble or "a help up" for those wanting to improve ?

Quite different from Socialist, arbitrary "re-distribution" and broad-range cradle-to-grave, as much as possible for as many people as possible, let's create more Agencies and jobs-for-the-comrades....
.....and to hell with whoever is left to actually create the wealth required to fund that little lot.....
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Irony, something along with history and political theory you don't seem to understand.
4 legs good, 2 legs bad - Conservative good - socialist bad lol.
 
nitram77 said:
Conservatives offer the ability for everyone to improve their position in life.

Socialists offer the chance for everyone to become equally poor.
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I believe neither are true.

Many conservatively led governments in the world have extreme poverty. In fact many that are rich have extreme poverty.
If you believe the ussr and some other communist countries failed then thats obvious.
Where do you consider China or Vietnam in that spectrum?

Would Russia have turned out so badly if they were not invaded by 27 countries at first. What about Cuba if they had not been forced to move towards Russia by the USA/mafia.
What about Chile and El Salvador that were moving along nicely (comparable to what was going on before). I don't suppose the bombing of the Chilean president in his palace by the us supported coup or the US intervention in El Salvador to collapse the government had anything to do with that failure.
Just because we are told something as a mantra does not mean its true.

Different problems are resolved best using the best system, it should be irrelevant of doctrine.
An extreme in either direction definitely leads to dictatorship or a totalitarian regime.
 
Jerryattrick said:
I believe neither are true.

Many conservatively led governments in the world have extreme poverty. In fact many that are rich have extreme poverty.
If you believe the ussr and some other communist countries failed then thats obvious.
Where do you consider China or Vietnam in that spectrum?

Would Russia have turned out so badly if they were not invaded by 27 countries at first. What about Cuba if they had not been forced to move towards Russia by the USA/mafia.
What about Chile and El Salvador that were moving along nicely (comparable to what was going on before). I don't suppose the bombing of the Chilean president in his palace by the us supported coup or the US intervention in El Salvador to collapse the government had anything to do with that failure.
Just because we are told something as a mantra does not mean its true.

Different problems are resolved best using the best system, it should be irrelevant of doctrine.
An extreme in either direction definitely leads to dictatorship or a totalitarian regime.
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That's a bit too difficult for these simpletons to grasp but thanks for making the effort. I suggest they read "23 Things they don't teach you about capitalism". A very well balanced critique of how well capitalism and the state can work together to achieve the best results. Tbh Nitram's post made me cringe with embarassment for him.
 
Jerryattrick said:
Irony, something along with history and political theory you don't seem to understand.
4 legs good, 2 legs bad - Conservative good - socialist bad lol.
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Not my view - which is more like....
Conservatives - least bad
Socialists - immoral and beyond the pale.
(note: not gratuitous abuse)

Interesting that you think it important to understand political 'theory' rather than see practical outcomes.
I can't say I'm that bothered by the nuances of different socialist 'theories' - unless you can cite a faction that does NOT put the collective before the individual.

I put rather more priority on practicalities that prioritise freedom of the (responsible) individual.

As for 'history'. That hasn't gone well for socialism. :wave:
 
Gills 58 said:
That's a bit too difficult for these simpletons to grasp but thanks for making the effort. I suggest they read "23 Things they don't teach you about capitalism". A very well balanced critique of how well capitalism and the state can work together to achieve the best results. Tbh Nitram's post made me cringe with embarassment for him.
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I was being very tongue in cheek knowing it would get a reaction, I do however actually believe in a strong social and welfare state, I just think it requires a strong capitalist system too pay for it.
 
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