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League Two Summer Business

MK Dons sign another Exeter City player. Ryan Harley follows Jordan Moore Taylor and Robbie Simpson. Obviously Tisdale was a popular guy with the players.
 
That leaves Exeter with a lot of work to do. Eleven out, four in so far. With a new rookie manager in charge, they may find attracting players quite tough now there are only 26 days before the season opens (and 31 days until the permanent transfer window closes).
 
We haven't looked at this for a week, so it's time for an update.

League season starts in: 25 days
Permanent transfer window closes in: 30 days
Loan window closes in: 51 days

Bury: 8 out / 5 in (1 out, 1 in since last update)
Cambridge: 4 out / 3 in
Carlisle: 12 out / 5 in (1 in)
Cheltenham: 12 out / 8 in
Colchester: 5 out / 7 in
Crawley: 8 out / 5 in (2 out, 1 in)
Crewe: 4 out / 3 in (1 in)
Exeter: 11 out / 4 in (2 out)
Forest Green: 17 out / 11 in (1 in)
Grimsby: 15 out / 9 in (2 in)
LINCOLN: 8 out / 5 in (1 in)
Macclesfield: 9 out / 7 in (1 in)
Mansfield: 7 out / 5 in
MK Dons: 3 out / 7 in (4 in)
Morecambe: 11 out / 9 in (2 in)
Newport: 9 out / 6 in
Northampton: 6 out / 2 in (1 in)
Notts County: 13 out / 9 in (3 in)
Oldham: 10 out / 3 in (1 in)
Port Vale: 11 out / 11 in (1 in)
Stevenage: 11 out / 9 in (1 out)
Swindon: 9 out / 5 in (3 in)
Tranmere: 12 out / 5 in
Yeovil: 8 out / 4 in (1 out)
 
Only two clubs have increased their squad size so far, with one more keeping the same number of players.

Our squad is three smaller whilst three clubs have a net loss of six or more....

This is, of cpurse, all at the current time and takes no account of initial squad size. Or quality...


Come on you Imps!!!!!!!!!!
 
Almost all of those teams had bigger squads than us and in some cases 10-15 more.
Makes sense for them to cut their squad sizes, Exeter had a massive squad.
 
Our old friend Mark Cooper says he is looking for one more signing, suggesting he is going for quality rather than quantity this season. Notts County are set to announce another one today. Grimsby's new signings received poor reviews after their fine performance at Cleethorpes on Saturday. Tranmere, Oldham, Grimsby, Exeter and Carlisle look to have a busy time ahead.
 
Scotimp said:
We haven't looked at this for a week, so it's time for an update.

League season starts in: 25 days
Permanent transfer window closes in: 30 days
Loan window closes in: 51 days

Bury: 8 out / 5 in (1 out, 1 in since last update)
Cambridge: 4 out / 3 in
Carlisle: 12 out / 5 in (1 in)
Cheltenham: 12 out / 8 in
Colchester: 5 out / 7 in
Crawley: 8 out / 5 in (2 out, 1 in)
Crewe: 4 out / 3 in (1 in)
Exeter: 11 out / 4 in (2 out)
Forest Green: 17 out / 11 in (1 in)
Grimsby: 15 out / 9 in (2 in)
LINCOLN: 8 out / 5 in (1 in)
Macclesfield: 9 out / 7 in (1 in)
Mansfield: 7 out / 5 in
MK Dons: 3 out / 7 in (4 in)
Morecambe: 11 out / 9 in (2 in)
Newport: 9 out / 6 in
Northampton: 6 out / 2 in (1 in)
Notts County: 13 out / 9 in (3 in)
Oldham: 10 out / 3 in (1 in)
Port Vale: 11 out / 11 in (1 in)
Stevenage: 11 out / 9 in (1 out)
Swindon: 9 out / 5 in (3 in)
Tranmere: 12 out / 5 in
Yeovil: 8 out / 4 in (1 out)
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are these numbers including loans in? but not loans returned [we returned 4 loans].
 
They include season-long loans in, because clubs tend to view them as one of the squad rather than a temporary body to make up numbers. They do not include loans returned to parent clubs because they do not belong to that club.
 
nlondonimp said:
bury and morecambe had big investments in the last few weeks... is there going to be a mad rush of spending/signings. wonder what the rankings are with spending power in L2
https://twitter.com/x/status/1016355393004589057
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Bury is very misleading - they have £7 million in creditors at the end of the 2016-17 financial year (accounts have only just been published). The auditors cast serious doubt over the club's ability to continue trading, and that was twelve months ago before they had a disastrous season and were relegated. Chairman Stewart Day put £3 million in cash into the club in 2015-16 to keep it going, and a further £1m in 2016-17. This looks like the latest instalment from him. The 2016-17 accounts showed that Bury owe Day's company £4.3 million already - it is now over £5 million by the look of it. Huge debts for a club on small gates and little prospect of increasing them.

Morecambe's new owners Bond Group Investments said they would put money into the club to clear existing debts. They obviously have done.

To put all of that into some perspective, Lincoln almost went under in 2015 for the sake of £380,000.
 
Scotimp said:
They include season-long loans in, because clubs tend to view them as one of the squad rather than a temporary body to make up numbers. They do not include loans returned to parent clubs because they do not belong to that club.
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i was interested to look at squad size at the end of january, compared to now.
we had 22 under contract at the end of the jan window [including mccombe, who had a playing contract i believe]
3 of those were out on loan.
we had 4 players in on loan.
total squad members available to us for the second half of the season 23
we still needed a 24th player - o'hare - 3 times to make up numbers on the bench.
total games played from the end of january was 21. 17 league, 2 trophy, 2 play off.

and of course we limped through the last few games.

there will be approx 25 games to play from the end of the august window until january 1st 2019. last season it was 22 league, 3 trophy, 1 fa cup.
 
Scotimp said:
Bury is very misleading - they have £7 million in creditors at the end of the 2016-17 financial year (accounts have only just been published). The auditors cast serious doubt over the club's ability to continue trading, and that was twelve months ago before they had a disastrous season and were relegated. Chairman Stewart Day put £3 million in cash into the club in 2015-16 to keep it going, and a further £1m in 2016-17. This looks like the latest instalment from him. The 2016-17 accounts showed that Bury owe Day's company £4.3 million already - it is now over £5 million by the look of it. Huge debts for a club on small gates and little prospect of increasing them.

Morecambe's new owners Bond Group Investments said they would put money into the club to clear existing debts. They obviously have done.

To put all of that into some perspective, Lincoln almost went under in 2015 for the sake of £380,000.
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i also liked this comment: 'technically insolvent'
https://twitter.com/x/status/1014391780861767680
 
In the case of Mansfield and Bury, I would guess the majority of respective debt is owed to the owners. Assuming those owners operate altruistically, would they ever choose to call in those debts?
 
Scotimp said:
In the case of Mansfield and Bury, I would guess the majority of respective debt is owed to the owners. Assuming those owners operate altruistically, would they ever choose to call in those debts?
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I think the answer is rarely. But more often they stop "investing" and leave the club in shit because it has been living off that money. See county under Trew and chesterfield.
 
NottyImp said:
I think the answer is rarely. But more often they stop "investing" and leave the club in shit because it has been living off that money. See county under Trew and chesterfield.
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And leave small local businesses up the creek as creditors when it all goes tits up.
 
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