Strett
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Is this not standard procedure to warn against going out when there is a killer on the loose?
There is a massive leap to say that there should be a curfew and assume there is always a 'potential' killer on the loose.
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Is this not standard procedure to warn against going out when there is a killer on the loose?
There is a massive leap to say that there should be a curfew and assume there is always a 'potential' killer on the loose.
Strett
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Which EU law would that be?
weejockmcplop
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I agree, and I would be worried were this a bill that was about to go through, but its not, its just something someone said.
To me it looks like she was making a political point about the response to crime committed against women further victimising women.
Its a very 'women vs men' attitude that personally i think is unhelpful, but I don't think she is actually trying to get a curfew implemented.
Strett
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Very ambiguous and the incorrect point being made. Perfect Green party member, then ;-)
trickynumber5
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All of them
weejockmcplop
Vital Champions League
The prohibition of discrimination laws?
I don't know i'm not a lawyer.
weejockmcplop
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OK so let's imagine for second...
A forest fan gets stabbed at a football match.
The next day, the police turn up at your house to tell you that Forest fans aren't allowed to go to football matches for the next month in case any of them get hurt.
How do you react?
Strett
Vital Football Hero
Are you not thinking of the ECHR, which is part of the Council of Europe and which the UK are still a member of?
weejockmcplop
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Yes.
Strett
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At the moment with relief. But I'd have that 'Oprah' look.
Strett
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So nothing to do with the EU then.
weejockmcplop
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Fine lol. I was wrong.
The Poacher
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Or a sheep profile picture lol.
mao tse tung
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It was a good point very badly made.
Will.NFFC
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I honestly cannot comprehend how any bloke could do that to a girl/woman. It genuinely shocks me everytime I hear stuff like it. I’ve got 3 sisters who I was talking about this with and how women are talking about men need to not harass and it’s a culture problem, meanwhile men are saying women need to be more careful when out and about - I wholeheartedly disagree with both. There isn’t a culture problem, it’s individual evil bastards! That’s it. But why should women have to contend with that when they go about their life?
The problem is with people who stab to death or rape and murder is the punishment doesn’t reflect the seriousness of the crime. You hear about these young offenders who’ve killed a teenager for no reason being sentenced and apparently smiling with no remorse as they go down for 15 years, as they’ll be out in 10.
A woman I worked very closely with has a lovely normal family but her 10 year old son was attacked by a teenager, unprovoked, kicked in the head and he’s been in a coma for nearly a year. He’s having to relearn how to talk, use his limbs - some may have read in the evening post... the attacker got 5 years... what kind of punishment is that? What message does that send out? In probably less than 5, he’ll be out and about living life as normal whilst my friend and her family will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
It should be in my no doubt controversial opinion, that anybody who murders or does something that causes life changing injuries for no reason or there’s no rationale and it’s beyond reasonable doubt who the culprit is, are given a death sentence.
Let’s see how rife knife crime is then or how many of these pieces of shit, the like who murdered that innocent girl Sarah would be on the streets courting women. People can call on the systems ability to change people for the better, but so many don’t, and even if it did, would you rather potentially save the life of somebody innocent or and stop somebody going into a life of crime as a result, or lose an innocent life in the hope that you might get somebody evil change their ways?
The problem is with people who stab to death or rape and murder is the punishment doesn’t reflect the seriousness of the crime. You hear about these young offenders who’ve killed a teenager for no reason being sentenced and apparently smiling with no remorse as they go down for 15 years, as they’ll be out in 10.
A woman I worked very closely with has a lovely normal family but her 10 year old son was attacked by a teenager, unprovoked, kicked in the head and he’s been in a coma for nearly a year. He’s having to relearn how to talk, use his limbs - some may have read in the evening post... the attacker got 5 years... what kind of punishment is that? What message does that send out? In probably less than 5, he’ll be out and about living life as normal whilst my friend and her family will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
It should be in my no doubt controversial opinion, that anybody who murders or does something that causes life changing injuries for no reason or there’s no rationale and it’s beyond reasonable doubt who the culprit is, are given a death sentence.
Let’s see how rife knife crime is then or how many of these pieces of shit, the like who murdered that innocent girl Sarah would be on the streets courting women. People can call on the systems ability to change people for the better, but so many don’t, and even if it did, would you rather potentially save the life of somebody innocent or and stop somebody going into a life of crime as a result, or lose an innocent life in the hope that you might get somebody evil change their ways?
weejockmcplop
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Problem is, all guilty verdicts have to be beyond reasonable doubt, that's part of the process of giving a verdict.
They still get it wrong alot of the time.
In the US, 1 in 25 death sentences turns out to be wrong.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/28/death-penalty-study-4-percent-defendants-innocent
Will.NFFC
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It’s a tough one, and as you point out, perhaps there are some where there is even 0.1% doubt, in which case, it shouldn’t happen.
But I just cannot accept that people like this police officer where no doubt they will find DNA on his car and clothes and his partner will sell him out, that he gets to go and live his life, albeit in a cell. I just don’t think there’s fear of consequence in this country, and as such, police are laughed at.
The punishment needs be more severe.
weejockmcplop
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If this cop ends up in jail I would say the consequences would be much more severe for him than for most people. Especially if he was a dickhead cop his whole life and pissed off a bunch of people.
I just don't think its practical or useful. In the US, a tiny proportion of people who could get the death penalty actually get it. Most get life. In the UK there were 683 murders last year.
The decision to push for a death penalty trial isn't made by a jury or a judge (they just rubber stamp it), its made by prosecutors and it isn't made rationally at all. You can't kill all cold blooded murderers, because there are alot more than you would think, so they choose based on factors such as how good the defence lawyers are, who the victim was and public perception of the crime. It isn't based on justice but the image of law and order.
I don't think you ever, ever see cops getting the death penalty for anything, for example, because they will have good legal representation so no-one would even try.
Besides that, the evidence that the death penalty works as a deterrent is sketchy at best.
There is the argument that its not about justice but society's right to retributive action which is fair enough, but I don't think you can argue for it on practical grounds, only that we have the right to punish this person in kind for their crime.
Calvin Plummer
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Death penalty = innocent people being executed. There is no way around that.
I also think it's flawed for 2 other reasons, 1 it's based on vengeance rather than justice. 2. It is the easy way out for hideous crimes, let them rot forever instead.
Will.NFFC
Vital Football Hero
But they don’t rot forever, particularly young offenders.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/n...er-trial-Video-shows-defendants-laughing.html
Remember that PC Andrew Harper who was dragged with the car. They laughed as they were sentenced. It just makes me sick. I don’t want to sound like I enjoy the thought of killing people, but I also don’t enjoy the thought of innocent people dying whilst they get to live their life in any form.
I just keep imaging if that Sarah was my partner or my one of my sisters - I don’t know how anyone could ever come to terms with their killer being able to carry on.
Regardless of whether it’s capital punishment, the justice system is generally flawed and lenient. It’s a bad example for young offenders.
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