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kefkat
Vital Football Legend
Uh and you say about women! I would say the same about you too.
The area I work in and where I have been means I know more than the liver specialist re addiction. If we didn't WTF do you think we go into hospitals to talk with such people as your on about who know damn all about addiction.
They know the medical side of how to treat remove etc. They don't know the illness unless they have had it experienced recovered etc and had any training in it.
Fact: Training treatment on addiction is so minimal it is ridiculous. I know people who work in the profession personally and as I said where they come from and where we come from is different.
Hmm trying the male/female thing with me won't work GS. and remember you bought that up 'women have to have the last word'
Not me-it seems your not used to anyone having an opinion that differs from yours or doesn't fall at your feet.
As I said I am coming from addiction point of you. You aren't but the sure hell the addiction part is part of it whatever you say
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
Best last words 'don't die like me' and it was complications not neglect/refusal to take the drugs.
Meaning his addiction was part of it. I do not believe for 1 second his surgeons etc. would have said it was O.K for him to drink either. Alcohol affects all parts of the body not just the liver
Meaning his addiction was part of it. I do not believe for 1 second his surgeons etc. would have said it was O.K for him to drink either. Alcohol affects all parts of the body not just the liver
I surrender. I give up. Yes, you know better than the experts, highly trained individuals schooled in all aspects of liver transplant surgery, pre-diagnosis, treatment, and cure.
You're one broad who refuses to go quietly and admit defeat, I'll give you that.
We weren't in this instance talking about ADDICTION. Get that through your thick head.
We were talking about the reason for Best's passing. Accept you haven't a clue what you're blabbing on about, and move on.
Best's death was due to not taking his anti-rejection meds, nothing to do with him returning to his bad habit of excessive alcohol consumption.
You're out of your league lady.
You're one broad who refuses to go quietly and admit defeat, I'll give you that.
We weren't in this instance talking about ADDICTION. Get that through your thick head.
We were talking about the reason for Best's passing. Accept you haven't a clue what you're blabbing on about, and move on.
Best's death was due to not taking his anti-rejection meds, nothing to do with him returning to his bad habit of excessive alcohol consumption.
You're out of your league lady.
What you believe is immaterial.
You have a liver transplant, life doesn't stop. As long as you take the daily prescribed meds you're totally 'normal' (for want of a better term).
It is perfectly acceptable to return to a normal, everyday life, and if that involves having an alcoholic drink as and when you want, then so be it.
You're talking about alcoholics, drunks, wasters. I aint.
I'm talking solely about Best, and the reasons for his death.
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James06
Vital Football Legend
Given the choice I would rather go elvis's way by eating too much bread and butter pudding, than besties way of not taking anti rejection meds (or drinking myself to death depending on who's side of the fence you sit: glensider and the liver surgeons and specialists that treated, monitored and assessed best, or kefkat)
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
BY Thair Shaikh and Jenny Booth12:01AM BST 13 Jul 2003
George Best, the alcoholic former footballer who had a life-saving liver transplant on the NHS a year ago, has started drinking again, it was revealed last night.
The wife and agent of the former Manchester United and Northern Ireland star said that they were devastated by his return to consuming alcohol. Best, 57, had vowed after his operation never to drink again but was reported last week to have spent several nights at a pub near his Surrey home.
Best, whose transplant was carried out last July, was said by tabloid newspapers to have had a seven-hour drinking binge last Tuesday at the Chequers pub in Tadworth, Surrey, a few miles from his home in Reigate.
Yesterday, Best and an unnamed 31-year-old man were arrested by Surrey police after a scuffle broke out between Best and a newspaper photographer outside the same pub. Both men were released last night without any charges.
News of his renewed drinking will once again raise questions about whether Best should have had a liver transplant on the NHS. Critics at the time had said that there were more deserving people on the waiting list and had criticised Best because he had been an alcoholic for many years.
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Only last month he underwent surgery to replace stomach implants designed to help him give up drinking. The implants are meant to make people feel ill if they drink alcohol, but a close friend of Best was reported to have said that he had been drinking wine without any side effects.
Best had also been warned by doctors that he could become seriously ill or die if he started drinking again. He was last night reported to have regretted his return to drinking and was quoted as saying to Alex, his wife, "I'm sorry. I just can't help myself".
To finish reading the rest of the article here is the link, one of many
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1435947/Back-on-the-drink-George-Best-arrested-by-police-in-pub-brawl.html
George Best, the alcoholic former footballer who had a life-saving liver transplant on the NHS a year ago, has started drinking again, it was revealed last night.
The wife and agent of the former Manchester United and Northern Ireland star said that they were devastated by his return to consuming alcohol. Best, 57, had vowed after his operation never to drink again but was reported last week to have spent several nights at a pub near his Surrey home.
Best, whose transplant was carried out last July, was said by tabloid newspapers to have had a seven-hour drinking binge last Tuesday at the Chequers pub in Tadworth, Surrey, a few miles from his home in Reigate.
Yesterday, Best and an unnamed 31-year-old man were arrested by Surrey police after a scuffle broke out between Best and a newspaper photographer outside the same pub. Both men were released last night without any charges.
News of his renewed drinking will once again raise questions about whether Best should have had a liver transplant on the NHS. Critics at the time had said that there were more deserving people on the waiting list and had criticised Best because he had been an alcoholic for many years.
Related Articles
Best has liver transplant 31 Jul 2002
Only last month he underwent surgery to replace stomach implants designed to help him give up drinking. The implants are meant to make people feel ill if they drink alcohol, but a close friend of Best was reported to have said that he had been drinking wine without any side effects.
Best had also been warned by doctors that he could become seriously ill or die if he started drinking again. He was last night reported to have regretted his return to drinking and was quoted as saying to Alex, his wife, "I'm sorry. I just can't help myself".
To finish reading the rest of the article here is the link, one of many
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1435947/Back-on-the-drink-George-Best-arrested-by-police-in-pub-brawl.html
James06
Vital Football Legend
That was headline news at the time I remember kefkat. It doesn't alter glensiders point though that a new liver would take years of drinking to destroy. What killed best so quickly though was him not taking the meds.
I was irresponsible Nd selfish of him to binge dink having received a new liver, no one old deny that. But it wasn't what killed him. The main point being: Had he not touched a drop of booze again, he would still have died.
I was irresponsible Nd selfish of him to binge dink having received a new liver, no one old deny that. But it wasn't what killed him. The main point being: Had he not touched a drop of booze again, he would still have died.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
Not according to the reports Jim. He was taking his meds. It was complications from them.
http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-soccer-players/george-best.htm
This part of the article I am posting here (you can read it all at the above link) clearly states he got an infection to do with the drugs mixed with him drinking again it all fcuked up.
This is the part I mean
As it was during his playing career, George Best's life after he quit playing soccer was beset by problems caused by his alcoholism. He frequently went on binges that sometimes lasted months at a time. There have been allegations that he was violent with some of his female partners and he was jailed for three months in 1984 for assault on a policeman.
Best had also been banned from driving after being convicted of drunk-driving. During his appearance on the Wogan TV show in 1990 he was obviously drunk and later apologised for the use of expletives during the interview.
Best's drinking caused him a number of health problems over the years. In 2002 he underwent a successful liver transplant. Amid some public outcry George returned to his old drinking habits and in 2005 he was admitted to hospital with a renal infection. (old drinking habits! NOT moderate drinking. Previous article states he was told not to drink again)
The infection was caused by the immuno-suppresant drugs used to prevent rejection of the transplanted liver. On 25 November 2005 George Best died in London due to further medical complications and multiple organ failure. He was surrounded by friends and family when he died at the age of 59.
http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-soccer-players/george-best.htm
This part of the article I am posting here (you can read it all at the above link) clearly states he got an infection to do with the drugs mixed with him drinking again it all fcuked up.
This is the part I mean
As it was during his playing career, George Best's life after he quit playing soccer was beset by problems caused by his alcoholism. He frequently went on binges that sometimes lasted months at a time. There have been allegations that he was violent with some of his female partners and he was jailed for three months in 1984 for assault on a policeman.
Best had also been banned from driving after being convicted of drunk-driving. During his appearance on the Wogan TV show in 1990 he was obviously drunk and later apologised for the use of expletives during the interview.
Best's drinking caused him a number of health problems over the years. In 2002 he underwent a successful liver transplant. Amid some public outcry George returned to his old drinking habits and in 2005 he was admitted to hospital with a renal infection. (old drinking habits! NOT moderate drinking. Previous article states he was told not to drink again)
The infection was caused by the immuno-suppresant drugs used to prevent rejection of the transplanted liver. On 25 November 2005 George Best died in London due to further medical complications and multiple organ failure. He was surrounded by friends and family when he died at the age of 59.
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
Clearly states he was taking his drugs. That he got an infection. Was always go to happen with his return to drinking as alcoholism was indeed part of it all.
He not necessarily would have died either as anything else could have got him in between time not just 2nd renal failure.
Drinking affects every part of the body. The majority of people don't realize that. His immune system would have been low hence the combination of drinking again with all the other factors led to his early death.
He did NOT as stated neglect to take his drugs/or refuse too. The article states that clearly
He not necessarily would have died either as anything else could have got him in between time not just 2nd renal failure.
Drinking affects every part of the body. The majority of people don't realize that. His immune system would have been low hence the combination of drinking again with all the other factors led to his early death.
He did NOT as stated neglect to take his drugs/or refuse too. The article states that clearly
kefkat
Vital Football Legend
So too sum up
1/ He did return to drinking like he used too. He was told if he drank again by the Doctor's he was risking his life (as I already said alcohol does not just affect the liver as many think)
2/He did not stop taking his medication (see article and there is plenty of other articles that say the same)
3/ He got an infection from the medication coupled with his drinking again and other medical factors like alcohol affects every part of your body. The liver is actually the last thing to give way.
4/He died through further medical complications and MULTIPLE organ failure, all in all around his alcoholism.
5/ I have no more to say on this matter: I have given you the FACTS. NOT my Facts, Facts that are freely available to anyone from reputable sources
1/ He did return to drinking like he used too. He was told if he drank again by the Doctor's he was risking his life (as I already said alcohol does not just affect the liver as many think)
2/He did not stop taking his medication (see article and there is plenty of other articles that say the same)
3/ He got an infection from the medication coupled with his drinking again and other medical factors like alcohol affects every part of your body. The liver is actually the last thing to give way.
4/He died through further medical complications and MULTIPLE organ failure, all in all around his alcoholism.
5/ I have no more to say on this matter: I have given you the FACTS. NOT my Facts, Facts that are freely available to anyone from reputable sources
thefacehead
Vital Football Hero
I hate the word fact, especially when someone goes - FACT, like making it bigger means it's definitely true.
But that's just my opinion, FACT!
But that's just my opinion, FACT!
SKEGGY
Bringer Of The Seasons
From wiki
Death
Best continued to drink, and was sometimes seen at his local pub in Surbiton, Greater London. On 3 October 2005 Best was admitted to intensive care at the private Cromwell Hospital in London, suffering from a kidney infection caused by the side effects of immuno-suppressive drugs used to prevent his body from rejecting his transplanted liver.[6] On 27 October, newspapers stated that Best was close to death and had sent a farewell message to his loved ones. Best's condition improved at first, but deteriorated again in November. On 20 November the British tabloid News of the World published a picture of Best at his own request, showing him in his hospital bed, along with what was reported to be his final message: "Don't die like me".
In the early hours of 25 November 2005 treatment was stopped; he eventually died, aged 59, after a battle that lasted longer than doctors had expected, as a result of a lung infection and multiple organ failure.[6][88]
Death
Best continued to drink, and was sometimes seen at his local pub in Surbiton, Greater London. On 3 October 2005 Best was admitted to intensive care at the private Cromwell Hospital in London, suffering from a kidney infection caused by the side effects of immuno-suppressive drugs used to prevent his body from rejecting his transplanted liver.[6] On 27 October, newspapers stated that Best was close to death and had sent a farewell message to his loved ones. Best's condition improved at first, but deteriorated again in November. On 20 November the British tabloid News of the World published a picture of Best at his own request, showing him in his hospital bed, along with what was reported to be his final message: "Don't die like me".
In the early hours of 25 November 2005 treatment was stopped; he eventually died, aged 59, after a battle that lasted longer than doctors had expected, as a result of a lung infection and multiple organ failure.[6][88]
