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SiggyBrownie - 6/2/2013 16:15

I have people in my extended family that are addicts and use it as an excuse to not take care of themselves and act like adults.

They are addicts when it is beneficial for them and get their shit together when it is beneficial for them as well. The worst thing is they know exactly what they are doing and don't care that they are tearing their family apart. They believe they deserve the attention. There are only so many times you can cry wolf before people stop paying attention.

I don't think we are ever going to agree on this subject and that is ok. We have different experiences with addiction. I quit smoking recently and it was hard but I did it because I wanted to have a better/healthier life.

I have a hard time with people who will not help themselves.
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I probably agree with you more than you think Siggy: It would drive me mad too the people you describe. Once I realised what was going on for me although it was crazy how I did it to begin with I wanted to sort myself out.

The behavior you describe I see all the time in the fellowship. I have learnt how to switch off from it. The longer sober you get the easier that becomes to switch off.

New people and those in/out don't come to you the longer you have been around for help as they know they can't sell you there bullshit.

It does affect every member of the family that is why Al-Anon was set up the sister fellowship kinda to A.A. I presume you know about Al-Anon which is the support network for the families/friends of the person whose drinking/drugs is affecting them. People can go even if the person isn't in recovery, is in recovery, they are divorced etc from them cos it continues to affect the lives of all touched by it.

I have been to Al-Anon myself and still do occasionally has my ex husband is alcoholic not in recovery. I know both sides so I know where your coming from.

Fortunately we have been able to bring my youngsters (we being me and Mr Kefkat) through it all in good shape.

Yeah I find it hard though it has got easier to understand why people don't want recovery because WTF anyone wants to live that life is beyond me. I am I guess 1 of the privileged 1's who gotten this and sobriety is everything to me because without it I don't have a life

I will state to anyone newcomer that before A.A I didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't know I had a disease of the mind and body. Today I do. If I put another drink in me knowingly the only person fault it would be would be mine.

There is a solution. Before recovery I didn't know that. Today I do and I don't waste my time with people who don't want it.

I have compassion but I just don't bother with them. I will give anyone all the time if they want recovery. Not if they are messing.

 
Reading between the lines Southgate and Dixon have very little sympathy for Gazza
 
I'm more worried the damage he has done to his hair dying it blonde to be honest.
 
Just their attitude when asked about him. Very matter of fact why of answering, "he needs to help himself!"
 
That appears to be the root of it. Help comes from within but some just crave the poor me attention they get.

I could be wrong, just the way some come over, very needy and must be a drain on any friendship.
 
He's apparently had help thrown at him. Photo on the front page of The Sun him downing a pint in the airport before he got in a car to go to rehab, in Phoenix
 
I always have at least one pint if I'm going on holiday, regardless of the time of my flight, airport pubs are always open.
 
I once went to an England game in Barcelona. Flew to girona and went to the local train station to get the 1 hour train to Barcelona. 5 hours later having watched countless trains come and go, I was still in the station boozer, shitfaced!

These things happen when you go away.
 
Gazza was the after dinner speaker at one of our national sales conferences just a few years back.

He was extremely approachable, amiable, witty, and articulate. He was also clearly quite ill.

I dread to imagine the condition of his liver. The organ does not regenerate from cirrhosis of the liver. A transplant is the only option.

From personal experience I can say he doesn't want to go there. But until he wants to stop the drinking, he not his friends or well wishers, then he's heading towards a nightmare.
 
SKEGGY - 6/2/2013 21:47

I don't think addicts should be given transplants
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They aren't Skeggy. In theory anyway.

They have to undergo six months minimum treatment, and be certified 'clean'.

They are given blood work weekly, and they only have to slip up once, and they have no chance of making the transplant register.

My liver failure wasn't brought about by drink or drugs, but I associated with individuals who were addicted for a lengthy period.

I saw first hand many kicked off the waiting list register because they couldn't or wouldn't respond to treatment, and I saw many who did clean up their act, but died waiting for a compatable liver.

My problem was Nonalcoholic Steatohepatitis (NASH) liver disease.

Nonalcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) is liver inflammation caused by a buildup of fat in the liver. Many people have a buildup of fat in the liver, and for most people it causes no symptoms and no problems. But in some people, the fat causes inflammation of the liver. Because of the inflammation, the liver doesn't function as well as it should.

In time it kills you. As mine was doing to me.

As you can see from my presence on here, I was one of the lucky ones. Ten years this April.


Georgie Best, the idiot, died following his transplant not from a return to excessive drinking, but from neglecting to take daily his anti-rejection medication.
 
His excessive drinking was part of it though GS! He may have stopped taking his medication however that is what starting drinking again does to you.

Alcohol related is all involved
 
kefkat - 6/2/2013 22:52

His excessive drinking was part of it though GS! He may have stopped taking his medication however that is what starting drinking again does to you.

Alcohol related is all involved
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No. After the transplant, what killed Best was a refusal to take his anti-rejection medication. Excessive drinking did not play a part.

I know that for an absolute fact, otherwise I wouldn't state it on here.

He had drinks post transplant, you can, that's fine. In moderation of course, not excessive drinking, and Best wasn't doing that.

The second liver failed following rejection, not through excessive alcohol consumption.

He simply forgot/refused to take his prograf twice daily in the prescribed doseage.
 
So why is it always stated he died through alcohol related then?.

The liver is the 1 organ that can repair itself but there are times when it has gone to far when transplants are needed.

What most people don't realize is the liver is the last organ to pack up with addiction.

Everything else packs up 1st. I would never have known half the dangers of alcohol if I didn't do what I do.

The deaths and tragedies through it are horrendous and people dies who probably aren't even addicted.

A lad who went to school with my eldest died through choking on his own vomit after a night out with friends. He was 21.

I have seen people who have gone blind through drinking, wet brain and much more

 
Alcohol obviously caused the initial failure, but his death was I assure you through neglecting/refusing to take the prescribed prograf.

I've got to be careful what I write on here, and I dont really want to reveal all of my personal issues post transplant, suffice to say that I have been under the care of the specialists/surgeons who operated on Best, and both they, and the consultants at the liver transplant clinic were quite open about the reasons that the transplant failed.

He continued to drink post transplant, but as I say, in moderation you can. You have a healthy, fully functioning liver. You are closely monitored, weekly, fortnightly, monthly bloodwork, so the medical folk are well aware of what's going on.

His failing was the refusal/neglect to comply with the anti-rejection meds.

You cant get away from taking those, ever.

Even almost ten years down the road, if I failed to take them for the next two/three days, I'd have liver rejection by the weekend, and be in deep doo-doo.

Best had his transplant in 2002, and died in 2005. Between the transplant and his passing, he'd have to have consumed unbelievable amounts of alcohol to wreck a healthy, transplanted liver.
 
kefkat - 6/2/2013 23:01

So why is it always stated he died through alcohol related then?.

The liver is the 1 organ that can repair itself but there are times when it has gone to far when transplants are needed.

What most people don't realize is the liver is the last organ to pack up with addiction.

Everything else packs up 1st. I would never have known half the dangers of alcohol if I didn't do what I do.

The deaths and tragedies through it are horrendous and people dies who probably aren't even addicted.

A lad who went to school with my eldest died through choking on his own vomit after a night out with friends. He was 21.

I have seen people who have gone blind through drinking, wet brain and much more
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There are instances when the liver will not regenerate. As you say, that is when your only option is a transplant. That was my fate.

I know what I know because I've been through it, lived through it.

Indeed binge drinkers haven't a clue the damage that they do to their liver. Even casual drinkers can be causing problems.

It still saddens me when people say they are having fun and drinking, as if the two have to go together. If you cant have 'fun' without a drink, then you need to take a look at yourself.
 
To be honest, this guy inflicted fog on the tyne to us... so maybe he's getting bad karma because of that?
 
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